Hamas leader Sinwar dead

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Reported just on Sky

We should not be buying solar panels made with slave labour and we should not be trading with a country that is deliberately killing vast numbers of civilians on the pretext of self defence.
Your objections sounds like whataboutery though followed by a thinly veiled accusation of anti-semitism. Israel has just killed more than 42000 people o the pretext of self defence following an attack that left 1200 people dead. The plight of the Uigars does not change this in any way.

@Kindatired

"We should not be buying solar panels made with slave labour and we should not be trading with a country that is deliberately killing vast numbers of civilians on the pretext of self defence.
Your objections sounds like whataboutery though followed by a thinly veiled accusation of anti-semitism. Israel has just killed more than 42000 people o the pretext of self defence following an attack that left 1200 people dead. The plight of the Uigars does not change this in any way.

You raise a number of points.

Firstly my intention was not whataboutery but rather that if the EU in the pursuit of economic self interest doesn't care about Uighar concentration camps making solar panels then logically they shouldn't care about a trade embargo with Israel either.

But if the EU were to put aside economic self interest in applying sanctions to Israel then it must be other factors (including anti semitism) instead.

Secondly your point on the difference in Palestinian vs Israeli deaths. This is a common assumption amongst the emotionally driven left that assumes that in any conflict between a strong party and a weaker party then sympathy must always go to the weaker side regardless of circumstances.

So if disparity in casualties is your metric of deciding sympathies then in your opinion:

Japan inflicted 2400 US casualties at Pearl Harbour- the subsequent retaliation by the US saw between 2.6 and 3.1 million Japanese deaths including 200k in the atomic bomb attacks. Who was in the wrong in this conflict?

Ukraine has suffered 31,000 casualties compared to Russia suffering over 70,000 casualties. Who is in the wrong in this conflict?

@1dayatatime Perfection is the enemy of good. By default your logic would mean that you should no good thing because it’s not possible to do every good thing imaginable in the entire world.
You assuming that Israel is a force for good but Israel has committed more atrocities against children than Hamas. It has done so deliberately even though it’s debatable if this carnage was the primary intent. It was entirely foreseeable that the civilian casualties would be on this scale but Israel has gone ahead anyway with a full knowledge of the consequences. Remember we are talking about people burnt alive, amputations without anaesthetic, this is not just a numbers game. Orphans , life changing injuries. But forgive me for being part of the emotionally driven left….

Rather than comparing to WW2 or the Ukraine war, a better analogy is that blowing up an entire school to kill a school shooter.

And you seem to think Israel can't defeat Hamas because it can't do it perfectly. Its very difficult to fight guerrillas who don't care about their own people. Nowhere in that post do you entertain the dea that Hamas bears responsibility for the way it has chosen to fight this war.

Civilians don’t bear the responsibility for how Hamas has conducted itself

Correct but the civilians do bear the consequences of the manner in which how both Hamas and Israel fight the conflict.

Your position is that the manner in which the conflict is fought and causing civilian casualties is entirely down to Israel whereas logically it is down to both sides.