Hamas leader Sinwar dead

[Toomanywars]

Reported just on Sky

@Kindatired there are ways in which his death can be spun by propaganda to create a narrative that may well inspire people. It's quite easy to see the elements that can be used to portray a 'heroic freedom fighter', rather than a coward and a bully hiding behind innocent victims.

I agree.

Also rape is not resistance, kidnapping hostages is not resistance.

Sadly yes this.

Sinwar might be a hero to some. He was a vile monster.

Piss on his grave. The stupid terrorist little prick.

He masterminded the death of lots of people on October 7th but also what hd did led to the death of lots more people afterwards. He seemed to know only hatred. Even the death of innocent children didn't stop him. He was truly evil.

People were disposable to him. They shouldn't be to us. Humanity can be better than him and those like him.

Israel as a nation is born from Zionist terrorism of the late 19thc and early 20thc, of western imperialism and post war settlements (x2), on colonisation, and ethnic cleansing.

Dragging Germany into any discussion on the establishment of Israel is very very dodgy ground.

Suggesting the Palestinians should willingly accept the death and destruction wrought on them by Israel is obscene.

And you know it.

Israel is a democracy and when the war is over elections will take place and a new government will be elected.

But Israelis voted in this one. Own it.

History as well as current understanding tells us that the best future for the Palestinians would be for their leaders and fighters to turn away from terrorism.

There are plenty of other 'ex-terrorist' people who have written books about this.

They are discussing possible leaders of Hamas. What a sorry, pathetic bunch of men. None sound like they will do anything for the people of Gaza. More of the same. If only there were another organisation that could run gaza and help it towards peace.

This chap is quite vocal.

Yes a vocal, high profile Palestinian who could emerge as a leader to follow.

They need a good man, a voice that everyone could support.

I'm not an Israeli citizen. I can't own it.

They have been failed by so many https://www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/10/16/missing-in-action-where-has-palestinian-authority-been-since-october-7?amp_js_v=0.1&amp_gsa=1#webview=1

Oh FFS, own the crimes of the country you support.

And grow up. Israel is killing Palestinians on an unbelievable scale. Why not condemn it?

Can you provide some evidence of this? I'm not sure where I 'clearly seem to think killing Palestinian civilians is justified'....? Please enlighten me.

Hate not to be positive but unfortunately there'll always be a son or nephew waiting in the wings to take over.

Dragging Germany into any discussion on the establishment of Israel is very very dodgy ground.

No, bringing Nazis into a discussion on Israel is very dodgy ground. A discussion about the impact of conflicts on civilians is entirely fine.

There would have been no way for Israel to kill Sinwar that didn't result in certain groups hailing him a hero/martyr.
There's absolutely blatant support of Hamas and the eradication of Israel all over X, for instance. I think Israel did entirely the right thing disregarding the likely reaction from that particular sector of society.

There is no denying that Sinwar was willing to die for his cause. The problem is that he expected other people to die for it as well.

Leaders will often try to portray themselves as a hero, look at Netanhyahu’s deluded and embarrassing speech about good fighting evil, when he is responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people.

Even in Israel, and many other countries with a ‘democracy’, it seems people are taken in by posturing over substance, and over and over again we have leaders who are good at putting on a show, but do damage and fall short on delivery.

I don’t think there is anything heroic about killing innocent people for your cause, if your objective is short sighted and your willing to trample over anyone in your way, then it’s easier to achieve, but it is self defeating and doesn’t provide a real win for anyone.

The drone video released by the IDF of his last minutes and the details of the autopsy have no doubt fuelled the hero fire.

• The drone video showed that he was alone and wounded in a combat zone- not a humanitarian zone or under a hospital or in a UN school or surrounded by hostages or Gazan women & children as human shields.
• The tank shell hitting the building he was in, did not kill him.
• Although gravely wounded, the cause of death was a bullet to the head.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/sinwar-died-of-gunshot-to-head-says-doctor-who-oversaw-autopsy/

It is a PR fumble to have released this information as it will only strengthen Hamas.

Fanatics like Sinwar who are willing to sacrifice their own lives are all too willing to sacrifice everyone else’s life too.

Well, an example of posting that appeared to minimise or excuse the killing of innocent people in Palestine that springs to mind would be when, when someone was talking about harm coming to innocent people, your response focused solely on Israeli citizens and came across as considering only Israeli civilians to be innocent, when it was quite clear that the poster was talking about innocent people being killed in Palestine. The language used was consistent with how people express the idea that no Palestinian can be innocent. Maybe it wasn't meant that way, but your posts have come across as very supportive of Israeli forces who are killing innocent civilians, and dismissive of the death and suffering being inflicted upon innocent people in Palestine by Israeli forces.

You can practically hear the propaganda narrative...

"He stood alone... fought to the end... fought and died as 'one of the people'... a tank couldn't kill him alone... in his last moments he fought a drone, armed only with a stick..."

Ffs, the guy was a mass murderer scurrying around between hiding places carrying a packet of Mentos and a fake ID. But give it a week and people will be treating him like Robin f*cking Hood.