Hamas leader Sinwar dead

[Toomanywars]

Reported just on Sky

No

Thanks, I do try to do my research and assess my sources.

They are barring medical NGOs now, some suspect it is because they are the only international observers who are witnessing war crimes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/18/israel-gaza-war-aid-hospitals-doctors/

Interesting point of view. Thanks.

Absolutely. What we know about Gaza is just the tip of the iceberg. I fear it is much worse. Only time will tell and I sincerely hope I am wrong.

What did you mean by this? Why was that different to pp point?

And if you want to have a go at people about amplifying terrorist propaganda/sympathy etc etc for simply discussing different views that have been expressed, then go have a word with sky news

It pretty scary that an occupying force has the power to do this, especially one that has been accused of so many war crimes and have a decades long history of breaking international law as ruled by the ICJ recently. That is before you factor in the impact that the loss of medical workers will have on a healthcare system that has already been repeatedly attacked and is being denied access basic medications and medical equipment.

It's disgusting that they won't let the people get medical assistance. Evil.

From the Guardian obituary this afternoon: 'According to a June 2024 Wall Street Journal report, Sinwar described the huge Palestinian losses in a wartime message to Hamas leaders in Qatar as “necessary sacrifices”.' Gaza and Palestinians are all the better without his 'leadership'.

I am not a law expert, far from it, but a genocide is defined, partly, by intent.
It could be argued that, by deliberately depriving the Palestinian people of food and water as well as of medical help ( meds and health workers), the Israeli government's intention is to kill civilians en masse therefore they are committing genocide.

"Necessary sacrifices" what a vile and disgusting way to talk about the children of Gaza. He truly was a despicable piece if scum.

No I can, but not many people care about it. They can’t get basic aid through, theres a cholera outbreak, estimates of 150k dead. It would be nice of international bodies, the UN, the USA made this a priority.

@israelilefty wrote
"But above all it's a colossal strategic asset and PR win for Netanyahu. He has the 'victory' photo that will possibly serve as an off-ramp from the war if the international community plays its cards right. "

What are those cards that the international community should be playing to provide an "off-ramp" to this awful conflict ?

All evidence to date illustrates that Netanyahu is impervious to any entreaties from the international community. The other "cards" that the west have (embargo, sanctions and financial restrictions ) have certainly not been played so far and it's very hard to imagine them suddenly being brought to bear now.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see the international community suddenly applying any meaningful pressure to either side that will cause them to stop. I feel that it's just going to be more of the same carnage until Netanyahu has decided that he's got what he wants. As I said, I dearly hope I'm wrong.

Israelilefty, are those cards to be played the ones I listed above, or do you think that there are others that the international community possess ?

It's been 2 years of a war, its a dreadful situation but gets a dnall amount of publicity. Sadly, disillusioned westerners don't fi dvit interesting. We could ask them or speculate why.

I must admit Netanyahu doesn’t seem to want an ‘off ramp’ to me. Ultimately, unless he can bring some kind of a ‘famous’ victory, he will lose power and it will be back to a criminal trial and possibly jail.

Endless war suits his personal agenda.

And people on here have described the children of Gaza as "collateral damage it's war" with a virtual shrug of the shoulders and other horrible descriptions.
See they agree with Sinwar and that's why some of us find it repulsive.

The Guardian obit references Sinwar's OWN words. He alone is the one to address your anger to when the term 'collateral damage' is used, not MN posters.

@Newbutoldfather
"Endless war suits his ( Netanyahu's) personal agenda."

A thought that had crossed my mind, is that maybe Netanyahu wants to deliver up such a massive blow to Hamas and Hezbollah that he couldn't be seen as anything but a national hero. He would be the man who not only stands up to his enemies, but crushes them as well.

If can then sell the idea to the Israeli electorate that he has been the hero of the hour, then there could well be less enthusiasm for him to face those charges of corruption. I mean, who wants to prosecute someone over a few million shekels when they have just "saved the nation"?

Just a thought.

I don't know maybe Israel will want to continue funding Hamas and rebuild them

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Speechless.

"But Sinwar did it too" doesn't make it ok.

I like to see that argument used in court too.

The fact that he said it and dismissed the lives of ordinary Palestinians, leading to untold suffering illustrates that he cared not one jot about them.

Hardly a decent baseline to which the rest of humanity should aspire. People should aim to be better than that. If they find themselves viewing human lives with the same disregard as someone like that, they should probably get therapy.