The aftermath

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All wars end. I use the term "war" very loosely as I don't view this as a war.
What will happen to the Gazans? How can live in such devastation? How can they deal with so much trauma? Will they ever recover?
Gaza faces a massive reconstruction challenge. Here are key facts and figures | Reuters
The former Israeli prime minister Olmert thinks that Netanyahu has no plan for after the war. He has been a strident critic of his actions.
Ex-Israeli PM makes devastating condemnation of Netanyahu’s war in Gazan | The Independent
Here is a link to his peace proposal in collaboration with Nasser al-Kidwa
Former Israeli PM and former Palestinian foreign minister lay out joint plan to end Israel-Hamas war | CBC News

Genocide is genocide.

This conflict isn't that.

Children, civilians, whole families are being annihilated in Jabalia right now! Imagine the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto. That.

Again please stop comparing the current conflict specifically to the Holocaust. Again, it is not okay and it is antisemitism.

Your entire post goes too far.

The latest information is that there is a very very much higher death rate than 41,000.

Foreign doctors who have been to other war zones are saying the casualties are beyond anything they’ve ever seen before.

Has anyone got the links? It is very difficult to keep re linking information for posters who haven’t been following, not that they should have been, but it is hard to retrieve information posted on many threads.

Plus I don't understand how the rate could possibly be calculated when there are so many bodies under the rubble plus it's the IDF announcing the killed were terrorists not civilians and they have not got form for accuracy.

That post is naive at best or propaganda at worst

@ismu what is your definition of a zionist?

@Hunglikeapolevaulter I would direct you to read some Italo Calvino or Primo Levi.
Zionists, Communists and Jewish resistance groups all had different views during WW2 and they were not homogenous. We can honour the memory of those who died and we can conflate the actions of Zionists with those who killed them. Both things are possible.

Again, making a point of comparing the actions during war of the world's only majority-Jewish state, with the Holocaust, is antisemitism.

I'm not saying this to shut down critisism of the conflict or of Israel's actions. I'm in no way suggesting that they are beyond critisism. I'm saying don't compare this to the Holocaust.

Or do, keep showing us.

And yet you are talking about zionists as a homogeneous group in your (grotesque) posts.

I do believe the death toll could be higher. The Gaza strip is such a tiny area and so highly populated compared to eg Afghanistan. And when the terrorists are dressed like civilians, " protected" by civilians I can't imagine how difficult it is to operate in conditions like that. I don't really have any solutions...but I also don't think Hamas and Hezbollah can be left to operate on Israel's borders.

@SharonEllis a Zionist is someone who believes that the state of Israel is a religious homeland for Jewish people.
There are many Jewish people who are not Zionists, and there are some Israeli born Jewish people who aren't Zionists.
There's no place on this earth where one religion or race should be prioritised above another. Everyone is born equal and we need to learn to coexist peacefully.

@Hunglikeapolevaulter You can kill the leadership, defeat them militarily and then have a country governed by a party that accepts Israel's right to exist and outlaws the teaching of antisemitic rhetoric in schools; while creating prosperity
So let's have some examples please of how this type of approach has worked

There are very few Jewish people who are not zionists actually, either here or in Israel.
but taking the recognised definition of zionists to be people who believe in a Jewish homeland, why are you referring to zionists acting collectively? How & why would all zionists think or act the same in this conflict, or in any other scenario?

Zionists are pretty much homogenous? They believe in the supremacy of Israel.

Zionist; a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.

I didnt see this. A zionist believes in the existence of Israel not the spremacy of Israel. Your twisting of words and concepts is pernicious.

Do you think Hamas does a good job at creating a place to live where " no one religion or race can be prioritised above another? or Iran, or Afghanistan etc? Israel actually does have good laws and equal rights for all it's citizens.

I am not engaging further with you.

@Dariamar Israel may have great laws for citizens, however it does not apply those laws to Palestinians. They can't even drive on the same roads or use the same hospitals as Israelis. They aren't even allowed to gather rainwater on their own land.
Israel is a country like South Africa before Mandela, and Israelis believe this is fine. It is not . It is unsustainable.

@SharonEllis I'm interested as to why you won't explain why evil acts by Zionists in the IDF can't be compared to other evil acts without being antisemitic?

This is your quote: " If the USA was not reponsible for starting WW2 who was taking responsibility for whose actions in the implementation of the Marshall Plan?".

Ffs. I'm referring to the inconsistency of your argument. I am not saying the US started WW2.

I started to type a response to this but...🤯 I don't really know where to start.