The aftermath

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All wars end. I use the term "war" very loosely as I don't view this as a war.
What will happen to the Gazans? How can live in such devastation? How can they deal with so much trauma? Will they ever recover?
Gaza faces a massive reconstruction challenge. Here are key facts and figures | Reuters
The former Israeli prime minister Olmert thinks that Netanyahu has no plan for after the war. He has been a strident critic of his actions.
Ex-Israeli PM makes devastating condemnation of Netanyahu’s war in Gazan | The Independent
Here is a link to his peace proposal in collaboration with Nasser al-Kidwa
Former Israeli PM and former Palestinian foreign minister lay out joint plan to end Israel-Hamas war | CBC News

I don't need a link, but of course others may find it useful.

Remove the emotion, re read what I wrote, then draft a new response.

I think you're just fine @OctoberOctopus!

Yes, so do I.

Seriously, where do these posters get their sense of importance from 😂 .

Nope, it's as I said.

The echo chamber amplifies....

I think you really, really, need to read up on WW2. Your grasp on history is tenuous and I am being generous.

WW2 started in September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland. The USA joined in 1941 after the Pearl Harbour bombing.
So no they didn't start WW2 but the USA secretary of state Marshall developed and implemented this plan in collaboration with the recipients of this funds.

I think you do.

The same place where you get yours, obviously.

We have different opinions, as is.

I don't ask others to reread my comments and reply again. 😂 I reread their comment which was full of emotional language. Projection obviously. 😂

"I don't think they intend for their to be many Gazans left. If you look through history at other peoples that have experienced genocide, occupation and land grabs, their populations shrink until they become an irrelevant minority as a proportion to the growing population of the recent invaders."

That was the emotional, inaccurate post.

My reply was calm and accurate. Population over 2 million. There are lots of Gazans left. The population has actually increased since the 1940's ...."at the outset of the 1948 war, the population of the Gaza region was approximately 60,000 to 80,000. Its increased rather a lot since the 1940's. A people wiped out is completely inaccurate. But there you go accuracy and these threads don't go hand in hand.

They are being wiped out now as we speak. A genocide is not defined by the number of people killed and but by the intent of the ones doing the murdering.
Netanyahu and his associates have made their intentions clear.

Not many people enjoy seeing others suffer. The whole situation is just sad all around as it didn't need to get to this stage. If and when the inevitable unfolds, the Israeli government will only have themselves to blame but sadly it will likely be the next generation that face the consequences.

A PP mentioned that the kicker this time is that noone can say they never knew. This is really the first large scale war involving multiple countries whereby you also have the full effect of social media platforms able to document and showcase everything real time. I have seen so much that I did not want to see. The brutality, lack of respect for human life and dehumanisation makes me sick to my stomach. The only thing worse than this is the justification empowered people across the world openly declare as rational for Israel to keep doing what they are doing.

I know several life long Conservatives. It's just anecdotal, but the spineless comments Rishi made about Israel support was the swing factor that made them vote Lib Dem in the election.

Make up your mind. Is it or is not about numbers.? When you say they are being 'wiped out' that isually implies a vast majority. As @OctoberOctopus rightly points out a majority have not been killed.

With due respect, I can't take your posts seriously anymore, for the simple fact that you believe that the USA started WW2.

. Its increased rather a lot since the 1940's. A people wiped out is completely inaccurate. But there you go accuracy and these threads don't go hand in hand.

The birthrate in Gaza is nearly two and a half times the rate of the UK due to early marriage rate and low education of women.
Just maybe that's why the population is going up not that Israel is not commiting a genocide

Where on earth did you get that from? I have never said the US started WW2? Dont be ridiculous.

They are most definitely being wiped out, but similar to the Holocaust, you will always have deniers.

Civilians are dying in this conflict, as they do sadly in many conflicts, but comparing this to the Holocaust is antisemitic. It's really not okay.

The abhorrent view that a state annihilating a whole lot of indigenous people, destroying their homes, medical centres, schools and places of worship -razing everything to the ground - starving them, and taking their land - will lead to the people doing this being seen in a bad light?

The abhorrent view that a state annihilating a whole lot of indigenous people, destroying their homes, medical centres, schools and places of worship -razing everything to the ground - starving them, and taking their land - will lead to the people doing this being seen in a bad light?

The post said Jews. Not "the people doing it", not the IDF, not Israelis - Jews.

The combatant to civilian death rate in Gaza is somewhere between 1:1.1 and 1:1.5 which is very very low in war zones with high civilian populations like Gaza. I think the Israeli govt. Is doing what they can to avoid civilian casualties but it's very difficult. And there will be some members of the IDF, like any army who are bad and don't behave as they should but I can tell you the people I know in the IDF are fathers with children of their own who hate that there are any civilian deaths but they are fighting to defend their country, to keep their own families safe. There isn't a genocide, there are civilian casualties of war. The civilian casualties in Afghanistan after 9/11 were far higher but there weren't marches all over the west and declarations of " genocide" then, why do you think that was?

Genocide is genocide.

With all due respect, if you really think that's what @SharonEllis said, your reading comprehension may require a little work.

It came up on a thread yesterday (?) that it is not ok to make holocaust comparisons about Israel’s acts against Palestinians, and it is actually against generally accepted official guidelines to do this.

This issue has been discussed on other threads and takes too long to explain carefully again here, and I am not best placed to try. I think Limesoda posted a helpful guide yesterday if anyone can remember where, and someone explained very well too as I remember.

The Israeli killing of Palestinians ( including intentional targeting children by snipers) the wholesale destruction of Gaza, and the extremist illegal settler actions and attacks in the West Bank that are all taking place can all obviously be fully described or criticised in their own terms though.