Offer made to Israel

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Lyse Doucet (From our own correspondent, BBC R4, 6/10) reported that last week the Jordanian foreign minister said,

"57 Arab and Muslim countries will, right now, guarantee the security of Israel if Israel ends the occupation and agrees to an independent Palestinian state. "

That's a pretty good offer and I find it interesting that it hasn't been more widely publicised.

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Unrelatedly, I have some magic beans if you’re interested…

The problem is that Israel don’t want a Palestinian state to exist.

I think they don't want Palestine to exist, too. Some of the cabinet members have finally openly said so.

That's pretty obvious now. Before the invasion there was very strong language about destroying Palestine and plans were put in place for ethnic cleansing.

The indiscriminate killing, destruction of vital infrastructure and witholding of humanitarian aid speaks for itself.

username7891

As far as I'm aware, Palestine is a state, recognised by 145 UN members. It's officially called the State of Palestine“

Yet the world stands by and watches it being invaded by another state.

Does this offer include return of the hostages ?

Unfortunately might is right and Israel has backing from the US. They've made feeble protests about proportionality whilst providing billions in weapons and military support.

May I ask who the 57 countries are? Fo they include Iran, Lebanon or Yemen.

Wow

You can read about it here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine

Err because they aren't a state and there isn't one single government or organisation that can legitimately speak on behalf of "Palestine"? That's kind of the point isn't it?

username7891 · Today 13:23

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 13:08
username7891
As far as I'm aware, Palestine is a state, recognised by 145 UN members. It's officially called the State of Palestine“

Yet the world stands by and watches it being invaded by another state.
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Unfortunately might is right and Israel has backing from the US. They've made feeble protests about proportionality whilst providing billions in weapons and military support.

Indeed. Our Government meekly follows suit. The UK needs to follow the example of France and stop all arms sales until the Israel Government reigns in. It has gone far beyond retaliation.

It's a disgrace that our military are involved. I don't want to be any part of this and it's not what I voted for. Western intervention has caused enough instability in the ME and is the cause of the government in Iran. We only have to look at the increase in terrorism in Europe and the state of Afghanistan to see the results of interference.

I would love this to happen but unless one of those 57 states is Iran then it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Jordan had always been moderate. Unfortunately they have almost zero sway with Hamas and Hezbollah. What are they going to do to stop those two groups attacking Israel?

It doesn't list the 57 who guarantee safety

The reality is the poponderance of non state actors across MENA makes this offer useless. Resolution 1701 means that Hezb is supposed to be behind the Litani river, yet neither the Lebanese government nor UNFIL has been able to enforce it.

I really want to see a two state solution but if I were Israeli I wouldn’t believe that any of these states could guarantee my safety. It’s a joke really.

It’s nonsense words tbh.

Yes unfortunately the cabinet is full of nutters.

They also seem to have not explained precisely what they are planning to do about Hamas and Hezbollah. I doubt they are going to allow other countries whos names aren’t Iran tell them what to do.

The UK needs to follow the example of France and stop all arms sales until the Israel Government reigns in. It has gone far beyond retaliation.

Absolutely. I cannot believe we are selling arms to a country that is openly and very deliberately bombing civilians.

This isn't meant to be flippant in any way but:

If Israel hasn't done so already, they clearly intend on completely removing all individuals with any authority from Hezbollah and Hamas etc. In which case, even if Israel was minded to do so, who would Israel negotiate with? Would anyone from the remnants of those organizations actually have sufficient authority to negotiate on behalf of those organizations? If no organization is both willing and capable of negotiating and maintaining any kind of ceasefire where does this end? If indeed it can.

@Daftasabroom

The issue here is that these are all non-state actors who have pushed themselves into relevance through acts of terrorism
and violence. What the people of Palestine really need is representation from a legitimate government who can negotiate on their behalf. Unfortunately, what they have is quite a few terrorist groups openly committed to wiping out Israel who had blocked up the political situation so that they can force through their ideology.

What really gets me is that most of the people
involved in these groups are foreign fighters drafted by the appeal of holy war and violence. How do you negotiate with people like that?

What the Palestinian people need is clear representation on the world stage by a government not being paid off by Iran to increase tensions as part of a proxy war.

The 57 states are obviously more trustworthy than the US, UK and Russia. Especially considering their wonderful record in cherishing and protecting the Jewish minorities that once lived within many of those states.

What Israel is doing in Gaza is horrific, but asking them to just stop shooting and start trusting their neighbours is clearly a non-starter. If they had ever tried that in the past, then it is pretty clear that Israel would no longer exist, and there would be few if any living Jews in any part of the land "from the river to the sea".

There are two sides that each want all of the land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. Both sides claim historical and religious rights to the land.

Neither will stop fighting until it has achieved that goal, but Israel is well on the way because it's the most powerful and has the most external support.

That's just the way it is and there's nothing that we can do about it.

And wouldn't the 57 be the place to start?