Offer made to Israel

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Lyse Doucet (From our own correspondent, BBC R4, 6/10) reported that last week the Jordanian foreign minister said,

"57 Arab and Muslim countries will, right now, guarantee the security of Israel if Israel ends the occupation and agrees to an independent Palestinian state. "

That's a pretty good offer and I find it interesting that it hasn't been more widely publicised.

It's here:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/jordanian-fm-arab-world-willing-to-guarantee-israels-security-if-palestinian-state-established/

The problem is, the two state solution has been the leading solution for years. If Israel agree to this, Palestine will never allow Israel to exist. Palestine will be recognised as an independent state and they will have no reason not to continue going after Israel once they receive statehood.

In what way is it a good offer? He doesnt give the slightest hint of what the offer actually is and how it would be achieved.

How exactly can any country guarantee another countries safety?

The offer is a guarantee of security for the state of Israel.
How those 57 countries achieve it, is up to them.

You don't see that as a good offer ? What do you think Israel should be holding out for ?

Who in Palestine will accept it?

What will those countries actually do to guarantee their security?

Is it possible for any country to secure their own or any other country's security?

Palestine could offer to guarantee Israel's security by not attacking it.

Why don't they offer that?

Its not an offer at all. Its just words. How the 57 states achieve it is not up to them - its up to Israel to decide if that 'security' actually does protect them. There is nothing in the 'offer' that explains it.

Its not an offer at all. Its just words. How the 57 states achieve it is not up to them - its up to Israel to decide if that 'security' actually does protect them. There is nothing in the 'offer' that explains it. @SharonEllis

You're obviously neither convinced nor impressed by that offer. So what counter offer (that would include the creation of a Palestinian state) should Israel make ?

Presumably those states or groups that threaten Israel may be aligned (possibly on religous lines) with the other gulf states so I would question the firmness of the guarantees.

In addition the group's threatening Israel are ideologically wedded to its destruction as a state and quite willing to use civilian populations as shields so it would be very difficult for another Arab state to intervene militarily especially with the risk of civilian deaths.

As far as I'm aware, Palestine is a state, recognised by 145 UN members. It's officially called the State of Palestine.

Google Budapest Memorandum.

In 1994 US, UK and Russia guaranteed security of Ukraine. As a part of this guarantee Ukraine transferred all of its nuclear weapons to Russia.

Any more questions?

How would Palestine stop Israel from existing? Are you really advocating for Israels illegal occupation to continue? Would you keep the apartheid too? Would you keep the violent settlers who seek to stop Palestine from existing and who are aided by the Israeli government and the IDF?

@nearlylovemyusername

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How can Israel counter a non-offer?

Hardly. Who said Israel had to get rid off its weapons?

In 1994 US, UK and Russia guaranteed security of Ukraine. As a part of this guarantee Ukraine transferred all of its nuclear weapons to Russia.
Any more questions? @nearlylovemyusername

That was the US, the UK and Russia that were making that guarantee. Would you trust any of those to keep their word ?

For the subject under discussion, fortunately, it is not they that are giving the guarantee.

Why would they need to, what with all 57 Arab & muslim states, who have never had any beef with Israel, guaranteeing their safety?

That was the US, the UK and Russia that were making that guarantee. Would you trust any of those to keep their word ?

Is this for real??
Why would Israel trust 57 Arab and Muslim countries, many of whom are well known for their hate towards Israel, trust more than I can trust e.g. UK?? Not sure to what degree you're familiar with history, but in 1994 Ukraine and Russia were very close partners.

No country should trust another country/ies their security. Ukraine learn this lesson hard way and I hope Israel learns from mistakes of others.

You mean why wouldn't they need to surely. Because weapons act as a deterrent as Ukraine found to its cost

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation is not in a position to guarantee Israeli security.

It is not, unfortunately, a serious offer.

It all depends on the details of the 2SS.

For example the West Bank is within 100metres, 20km and 40km of Israel's 3 biggest population centres. Too close for missile defence systems to work. It's also 20km from the sea, so a ground assault could quickly cut the country in two.

So Israel allowing militarisation of the West Bank and relaxing their control of weapons imports into a new state located there does exactly mean giving up it's ability to protect its population.

I think the Budapest Memorandum is a very relevant history lesson.

Oh yes, sorry, I was being sarcastic but I mean this is so ludicrous it makes no sense anyway. Obviously Israel has to guarantee its own safety with its own weapons. Now, if those 57 states are serious they need to put some actual proposals on the table.

How could it stop Israel existing? Israel has more weapons and defences than Palestine could dream off.

Currently Israel is making sure generations of Palestinians will hate it and see it as a target. They either have to wipe out as Palestine as it is, or do something political. I guess they are going option A.

I'm not sure many people would consider 57 muslim states - many of whom have declared their opposition to Israel - to be inherently more trustworthy than the US, UK and Russia. Why would you think that? And even if they could be trusted today, things change - once upon a time, Iran was a strong ally of Israel. What would've happened if Israel back then had decided to trust them that they would always protect them?!

It's never a good idea for any country to rely entirely on another for their security, and this is even more true for Israel. If the 57 muslim states - or anyone else - want to stop the war, they should offer to help defeat the people who started the war, ie hamas, hezbollah and the iranian regime.