Yazidi Woman Rescued From Gaza

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Yazidi woman freed from Gaza in US-led operation after decade in captivity | Reuters

She was kidnapped when she was eleven years old, and has been enslaved for the last ten years.

You clearly didn’t read my post at all did you?

You do not understand what is going on today in the Middle East.

You do not understand the history of the conflict, and when someone tries to explain it to you, you don’t absorb it.

Let’s just draw this discussion to a close shall we? I cannot debate people who are intellectually dishonest.

Good day.

Thank you, you’re too kind.

Just holding the line against anti-Jewish bigotry and Israelphobia.

You're not reading mine. My initial issue with what you said was your claim that posters on this thread only care about Palestinians because they dislike Israel. Which I said was an unfounded accusation. I don't see anything in your further post to suggest otherwise.

I cannot debate people who are intellectually dishonest.
What is this supposed to mean?

No, the US gives Israel about $4 billion in military aid which doen't even amount to 'everything' in itsmilitary budget (it was less than 20%) Israel's exports are worth over $165 billion & her GDP around $500billion. Israel is the 26th largest economy in the world & outperforms other ME economies because its a democratic free market

That is a hateful lie.
And i will wave my Palestinian flag with pride
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Well that's not strictly true they ignore it in their own country and one of their own in Govt is a convicted terrorist supporter, a democratically elected one at that.
Israeli security chief condemns ‘terrorism’ of militant settlers | Israel | The Guardian

No need, I am well aware of anti semitism and how it appears in these Pro Palestine Marches and other places.
However, calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel or whatever diminishes actual antisemtitism .
I fully support the right of Israel to defend itself and condemn without question the 7th October attacks but I cannnot write off all those deaths of women and children in Gaza and beyond as collatoral damage as Israel and its supporters try to do far too often and 1 yazhidi woman being "rescued" as a happy but unintended consquence of the attacks on Gaza and other areas will not change my mind.
This post should be about a trafficked child (now woman) not about what heros the IDF are.

You literally had to ask above what the blood libel is - one of the oldest antisemitic ideas, which demonstrates thst you have done very little research and have very little understanding of antisemitism. And noone has ever said that 'calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel'. As for the rest of your post Ill leave others to jugde whether its a fair representation of the thread.

However, calling any objections to the death of innocent women and children anti semitic or blood libel or whatever diminishes actual antisemtitism

In all seriousness I think you would do well to learn more about antisemitism and how pernicious it is. It is very interesting and enlightening, deeply sad of course, and gives perspective on attitudes and prejudices still held today by lots of people, many of them liberal-minded and ‘anti-racist’.

And thank you for demonstrating my point far better than I could.
I condemn the deaths of innocent women and children therefore I "don't understand" and need to do more research apparently.
I will probably be told to educate myself shortly.

I haven't seen that.

I have seen some posters immediately displaying a barely concealed indignant rage that anyone who isn't their chosen 'side' is thought of at all.

The quick flash anger that comes from cognitive dissonance being poked at is quite visibly noticeable.

If you find yourself annoyed or upset at any news story that shows human suffering, because it isn't the right humans, you should spend some serious time contemplating why.

No, you said you didnt know what the blood libel and its history was and have gone on to mistakenly think it means any objection to the deaths of innocent women and children. Its up to you if you do furthet research on it, obviously, but at the moment, you are mistaken.

Oh my god. "Blood libel". A Medieval antisemitic slur, reactivated by the Nazis.

This is from May. It is an excerpt from
U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts
from the Council on Foreign Relations. ( To see the difference from finding given by IS to other nations, see the charts.)

Since the start of Israel's war with Hamason October 7, 2023, the United States has enacted legislation providing at least $12.5 billion in military aid to Israel, which includes $3.8 billion from a bill in March 2024 (in line with the current MOU) and $8.7 billion from a supplemental appropriations act in April 2024
www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

Inevitably its more now because of the conflicts. But its still military and doesnt come close to 'everything'.

The crime Israel is guilty of, in many poster’s eyes, is simply existing - and not as helpless victims, but as agents in charge of their own destiny.

Is that what you call occupation and apartheid, being agents in charge of your own destiny? Apartheid is a crime against humanity.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel-responsible-apartheid

Do you think that Palestinians in the West Bank for instance might have a different slant on this than you do? I have seen marches there full of hate with people chanting 'Death to arabs', do you believe these Israelis when they say such hateful things? Do you think Palestinians believe these people when their streets are taken over with people singing and dancing and wishing for their destruction. 10s of 1000s of them harassing and taunting them, protected by the IDF. Can you imagine how that must feel? Your occupiers marching through the streets chanting about your deaths whilst 10s of 1000s of you have been killed less than 100km away by same army that roam your streets freely?

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/06/g-s1-3141/israel-jerusalem-day-nationalists

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/29/israel-jerusalem-march-death-arabs-00035862

There are 2 sides here and neither of them are white as the driven snow. To say that people are only speaking out against Israel because of unfair 'demonisation' and propaganda is to deny the Palestinians reality. I think people would be far more likely to listen to what Pro Israel posters here have to say if there was even a glimmer of recognition that Israel actually do do some pretty shitty things sometimes too.

@CallMeMammy perhaps you're new here but people recognise Israel's faults regularly, both here and out in the world. Most of us don't do much more than correct the endless wild misinformation & one sidedness on here (with a dash of antisemitism thrown in) - chance of a proper discussion would be a fine thing but its clear how little good faith there is so its hard to get past that.

They were asked to help and they did, thats what probably matters to Fawzia. The reality is who thinks that theres going to be a yazidi slave in Gaza? They are looking for hostages, how would they know that people have been engaging in slavery there. They only knew about it because they were told and then asked to help her get free. Freeing slaves wouldn’t be a top priority because no-one is expecting this kind of thing.

I imagine the majority of Palestinians would have been bewildered if you asked them where the slaves were kept. I doubt it is a common occurrence. This was a vile man with a vile family.

Really? So you accept that Israel are committing apartheid in the West Bank?

I think part of the problem is the number of attacks experienced by the Israelis and the aggression directed at Palestinians over settlements etc. it is inevitable that a society becomes increasingly restrictive, militarised and paranoid (with good reason) when 2 groups inflict damage on each other and don’t reign in the worst of their own people.

The reality is Israelis have been attacked time and again, the reality is that all Palestinians have suffered for the actions of the demented amongst them, the reality is that there are people on both sides that genuinely wish harm on each other. I would hope that the majority want to be able to live in peace and don’t want to live in eternal conflict.

I hope for the sake of Palestinians and Israelis that one day there is a 2 state solution that allows both peoples to live in peace. The pictures of children with limbs amputated or the babies that are hostages is just unbearable. None of them deserve this.

Mmm, yes Jews are notoriously sneaky aren’t they?

fuck off with your racist conspiracy theories.

@SprigatitoYouAndIKnow well said.

@CallMeMammy in the same way Gaza and the West Bank are an Islamic theocracy who view other religions as second class citizens?

This is exactly what I mean. There is never just straight forward acceptance even of something that has been decided on by the ICJ. It's no wonder some posters feel that other posters are motivated by nothing but hatred of Israel when for whatever reasons they may have they can't even admit to themselves that yes, Israel have done and are doing some pretty awful things to Palestinians and they do have some legitimate right to feel aggrieved.

I accept whole heartedly that there are some legitimate reasons for Israelis to feel aggrieved with Palestinians, I can see why there is fear there, why there is suspicion and in some cases hate. A lot of really bad things have happened and I'm not afraid to say that. I will also agree that on both sides some of that hate is based on nothing but prejudice and religious ideology. Do I think that Israels occupation and current action is proportionate to those bad things, no. Do I think that Israels actions are going to solve anything in the long run or keep Israelis safe, also no. Just like I don't think that the actions of Hamas are going to solve anything in the long run(or even the short term), nor will they free Palestinians from occupation and apartheid. I find a lot appalling about both 'sides'. I just don't agree that everyday Palestinians should be paying this high a price for the actions of Hamas and some other extremists especially when in the end it will all be for nothing, just like I would never agree that Israelis should pay the price of the lives of 1000s of their women and children for the bad things their government and some extremists do.