IDF reports Nasrallah killed in overnight strikes

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

Nasrallah has been the head of Hezbollah for a long time and is/was very close to Iran. That's a heck of a blow to strike on Iran if confirmed.

Link to BBC live page.

You should probably mention that to hezbollah - weird how they've dramatically underestimated their own causalities, you'd expect it to be the other way round.

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

How many of the 40,000 dead palestinians are hamas? There's little point discussing it if you don't have accurate figures - 40,000 dead terrorists is a good thing, 40,000 innocents is not. I am saddened by the death of anyone caught up in a war not of their making, which is why I am so pleased to see the celebrations of people happy they are free of that tyrant. I am not sure what Arabs have to do with it, unless you are suggesting all Arabs support hezbollah?

You have still not made it clear that you consider nasrallah a terrorist, or that you are happy he is no longer tormenting Lebanon? We can bleat on about semantics all you like but presumably you do consider hezbollah to be very bad people...?

Nasrallah has been killed - and how many innocent civilians?

1700 innocents butchered on October 7, 2023.

By the organisations many of you seem to tolerate.

They haven't necessarily decimated Hezbollah.

I was listening to a middle east expert on the radio earlier (apologies missed the beginning so didn't catch their name) but he was suggesting that there is some concern because nasrallah, was generally considered somewhat moderate, as hard as that is to believe, and the much more extremists could take over.

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

Thank you for saying that so clearly @rumblegrumble

I’m not sure some posters know about the casual, everyday Jew hatred that abounds across the Middle East (or in the UK for that matter).

Ouch 😂🙏🏻😇

I'm sorry to say that I think a lot of people don't care - and too many actually wish it were more. I knew there was anti-Semitism in the middle east before Oct 7 but was absolutely shocked and horrified to see how much there was here in the UK, and it makes me extremely angry to see how underreported and ignored it is. Not just by the media but by the government, and even forums like this one. We very definitely wouldn't allow any other group to be treated like this.

The final death toll from the Oct 7th attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

And around 17,000 children have been killed in Gaza, not including the children maimed and orphaned. Do they not count ? @YellowAsteroid

Because people mourn the deaths of innocents at the hands of the IDF- that does not mean they support / tolerate either Hamas or Hezbollah.

"someone described as a terrorist leader"?

Does suggest that you don't consider nasrallah a terrorist leader! Most of the world does!

He was a terrorist. Go look at his history. Vile creature. I don't mourn his death. That some call him a martyr and other terms that he is not worthy of is appalling.

Presumably you are happy he is no longer tormenting Lebanon, or Israel...? Or not?

Maybe tell us the great things he did for ordinary Lebanese?

I’m glad Nasrallah is dead. I am very unhappy at how it was done. Levelling residential buildings full of innocent civilians with 85 bunker buster bombs dropped with no warning, within a few seconds of each other will create so many angry, vengeful Hezbollah recruits that I think many of us will live to see the fallout from the decision to drop those bombs.

It was in my opinion a bad decision for the long term security of Israel.

It serves as an easy immediate ‘win’ to boost the nation’s morale and creates new headlines to distract from the ongoing pain of the hostages in Gaza & the daily protests of their families and supporters.

Netanyahu is not a terrorist. He is defending his country against an enemy that attacked him, and continue to attack him, who have sworn the destruction of his entire race. I, and many others, may not always approve of his methods but that does not make him a terrorist.

I agree Netanyahu is not a terrorist, but I think he might end up a convicted war criminal and not due to antisemitism but due to the fact his methods are not above reproach.

I would think this was the best way to achieve it with the very minimum casualties; as pointed out earlier, hezbollah themselves were only estimating civilian fatalities at a few hundred whereas independent authorities figured it was probably about 150 (this was a day or so ago, I haven't checked again today). Of course, it's hideous if even 150 civilians have been killed, but I would place the blame for that squarely at the feet of hezbollah. I actually find it really unfathomable how anyone else could be to blame tbh? They're the ones who sited their bases in residential areas after all - should we just allow terrorists to carry on murdering people at will if they have the foresight to set up shop in an apartment complex? Israel did warn people to leave ahead of time - and they did it after the pager attack so people knew they were serious. I think it's an extraordinary achievement and I can't imagine a way he could have been killed with any less harm to civilians. Can you? So the option would seem to be for Israel (and the wider world) to let him carry on murdering and essentially admit surrender to terrorism, or risk the death of some innocent people. Considering the number of innocent people who had been and continued to be at significant risk from the terrorists, I personally feel it was the right call. So it seems do very many who were living under his regime.

There will certainly be many angry little men who are hell-bent on revenge, but what's the answer then - just let the terrorists win for fear of creating new terrorists? The hope is that Israel have done so much damage that these wannabe avengers don't get a chance. It's a real shame hezbollah are continuing their unprovoked attack against Israel - and continuing to harm Israeli citizens. I find it very difficult to understand how on earth people can conclude they are not entirely to blame for every single death, be it Israeli or Lebanese.

Agree about Netanyahu though, I will be extremely surprised if he doesn't end up being found guilty of war crimes. Though - and I may be being far too generous - he might feel it worth it if he actually succeeds in significantly diminishing the threat to Israel.

Netanyahu wouldn’t be my choice of leader but then it wouldn’t be my choice to need such a leader in the first place.

Israel needs ruthless leadership because its enemies are ruthless, cruel and unrelenting. Hiding behind their own infants.

Sorry what? Who are the brown ones?? Israeli and Lebanese populations are ethnically the same. Also Palestinians.

Ready to denounce hezbollah yet? To condemn their unprovoked and ongoing attack against Israel? Hamas' unprovoked and ongoing attack against Israel? Their habit of accidently putting their bases and weapons in civilian areas - over and over again? Nope? Then I take being called a monster by someone like you as a glowing compliment.

You seem determined to try and make it about skin colour, presumably as you can't pretend even to yourself that you have any sort of coherent argument so you have to make one up in some desperate attempt to convince yourself you're not just some scummy little racist who supports cowardly little 'men' who rape unarmed Jewish women, kidnap unarmed Jewish pensioners and murder Jewish babies. Doesn't work though really does it as anyone with even basic knowledge of the situation is aware that the indigenous population of the Levant (ie Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Syria - and yes - Israel) are basically the same race? And that race is not particularly brown...

Didn’t the elected government of Gaza, the terrorist group Hamas, INVADE Israel so Israel’s resistance to dismantle Hamas is absolutely justifiable and legal then no?

Hasn’t the terrorist group Hezbollah, who control Lebanon, been firing rockets at Israel since Oct 8th and has killed Israeli children? So Israel’s resistance to dismantle Hezbollah is absolutely justifiable and legal then no?

There would have been no civilian deaths in this conflict if Hamas hadn’t killed over a 1000 Israelis almost a year ago, and you have the audacity to say Israel is the aggressor?

I bet you believe Israel started all the wars waged against them since 1948 too?

It was not self-defence to murder my friends and colleagues. It was not self-defence to abduct and torture others.

It was not self-defence to herd innocent civilians into areas that were then bombed. It was not self-defence to desecrate the graves of innocent people. It was not self-defence to kill, maim and traumatise thousands of children.

It will not be self-defence to replicate that in Lebanon.

Yes and if an army invades your country and your land it is absolutely self defence to resist. It is justifiable in every single international law just like the French resistance and just like in Vietnam and in many other countries who have been invaded by an occupying force.

I hope everyone who is cheerleading this or is impassive towards this has a fraction of what they wished on the Lebanese and Palestinian people happen to them.

I wouldn't wish even a fraction of this pain on anyone.

I suppose you could say if someone fires rockets into your country and promises your destruction.....best to stop them really.

It's interesting that no one has got out the genocide line for Lebanon yet as although there has been civilian death no one of more has said that the current war equates to anything like genocide. In fact there have been no international laws broken in terms of an international conflict. There have been no calls for the ICC to investigate what seem to be series of specific targeted attacks against a global terrorist network.

I think people have become a little wary of terrorist propaganda recently and so the press are keeping away from hyperbolic statements from Jihadi supporters which is a good thing so far. I think there is a bitterness amongst some that they have seen Hezbollah so ruthlessly weakened so far and certainly without mass casualties that could have occured. Instead of as stabilising the region is there a possibility the defeat of Islamist terrorism in this scale could later the balance of power in the middle East for the better? How many left wing journalists refer on the brink of terrorists sympathy when trying to bring their own perspective to this war?

Why would they? Your post actually proves the point that the accusation of genocide and war crimes in Gaza are because of evidence for it not some flippant accusation with no evidence.

there is yet no genocide happening in Lebanon. If Israel repeats the same they’ve done in Gaza there will be.