IDF reports Nasrallah killed in overnight strikes

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

Nasrallah has been the head of Hezbollah for a long time and is/was very close to Iran. That's a heck of a blow to strike on Iran if confirmed.

Link to BBC live page.

Erm has their not been huge celebration on this thread about the death of Nasrallah?

Interesting that in four pages not a single passing comment about the fact that Israel killed hundreds of people in a major capital city with huge crater forming bombs. What would we call it if this happened in Paris or London to assassinate one individual I wonder? Would we be seeing celebratory threads on Mumsnet? There is one set of massive ghouls salivating over deaths and it’s not who everyone always thinks it is.

No problem. I think we can agree that muslims are a very diverse group and therefore some would celebrate his death, others would eulogise him. His many opponents come in all cultural & religious sizes across the region & beyond!

I don’t think Margaret Thatcher was murdered.

My point was really that identifying groups by their religion when they very obviously are not behaving in any way that adheres to that religion seems illogical.

"Not sure about murdered" meaning "I'm not sure about anyone who was murdered, but here is an example of someone who died". I can see how someone would purposely misunderstand what I was saying in order to justify ignoring the point I was attempting to make though. It's a common tactic on this board.

Yes the words ‘towering’ and ‘martyr’ seem to be repeated

The press should remember he was the head of a terrorist organisation which exist to do just that, sow terror

Where have you seen there were hundreds of deaths in the attack on Nasrallah? I have not seen that in any of the news I read, just that it was a meeting of Hezbollah officials, and that other Hezbollah members, and I think an IRGC member, were also killed, and I have not just looked at Israeli media.
Why assume that people who are happy at Nasrallah's elimination must be ignoring civilian deaths? I was not and am not aware that civilians had been killed; perhaps give people on this thread the benefit of the doubt, before jumping to conclusions that showing relief and happiness at the death of someone who has done unfathomable evil, must mean we are also callously ignoring the deaths of innocents.

If the one individual was the head of a terrorist agency under the command of a hostile state, who had brought all of his terrorist friends to my country and subjugated and tormented us, I'd be pretty chuffed. If the assassination was achieved with quite such an astonishing lack of civilian death, I'd be falling to my knees in gratitude. And if the crater had previously been a weapons depot or terrorist base, I'd be marvelling at the beauty of the lovely new hole.

Interesting that in four pages not a single passing comment about the fact that Israel killed hundreds of people in a major capital city with huge crater forming bombs.

Im sick of this whataboutery which excuses the murderous terrorist scum of Hamas and Hezbollah, and overlooks the deep deep Jew hatred in the Middle East.

They destroyed six residential buildings in a densely populated urban area of Beirut. They used 85 ‘bunker busting’ bombs. Did you not see the pictures??? Hundreds if not thousands of people lived there. There are huge craters in the ground.

Also you have ignored the deaths of innocents. Not a single comment of concern about that in 4 pages. Again I ask if this was in a capital city in the West - if say for example someone described as a terrorist leader was in a building in a London or Paris estate and that building and six others were annihilated how do you think it would be reported? And then ask yourself how do you think the Lebanese feel right now?

Israel knew of Nasrallah's location for months, some ministers opposed hit -- reports | The Times of Israel

I am very much aware of the civilian cost. Innocent people died in those strikes and others were gravely injured. More people are dying as the attacks continue. I did not start the thread to gloat or celebrate or anything like that - simply to share a BBC live link to a major development that was unfolding at the time.

If people find the thread has now evolved into something upsetting, @Custardcream84 or anyone else, please don't hesitate to report it to MN and ask them to remove it. The purpose was to share information and that happened.

I didn’t do any whataboutery. I said the attack that many are celebrating that killed Nasrallah killed hundreds of innocents. You’re the one doing whataboutery because you are implying that the hatred you describe justifies this attack.

if I wanted to do whataboutery I would say what about the deep deep Arab hatred in Israel. And what about what Netanyahu has done to millions of Palestinians and Lebanese. Any logical person would call that the actions of a terrorist on a grand scale.

Well said! The total disregard of civilian deaths, civilian homes and the psychological terror inflicted on them is sick! So much hypocrisy. I can imagine there would be outrage if people were celebrating bombing in Israel's capital that was meant to target Netanyahu!

I'm no fan of Nasrullah, but my god the double standards of what is seen as acceptable is blinding

The total death toll from the past two weeks is reported - by Lebanon - as 'over a thousand'. For some reason they haven't specified how many were civilians and how many were hezbollah... but considering how extremely targeted the hits have been, it's fair to say the vast majority of causalities were the latter. So the total cost for completely decimating a terrorist network that has caused unimaginable pain and suffering over the past few years is a few hundred civilians at most (most estimates seem to be around 150). I would've thought most decent people would applaud that phenomenal achievement - think how much future pain and suffering has now been prevented.

Please clarify what you mean by "someone described as a terrorist leader"? Are you suggesting nasrallah was not a terrorist leader?! Presumably you are happy he is no longer tormenting Lebanon, or Israel...?

I'm sorry. I asked for the thread to be removed due to it causing people distress but the request has been declined. I can only apologise and suggest people hide it.

@Custardcream84
Nasrallah was in a bunker under civilian buildings. The Israeli government had a choice.

When the US killed bin Laden - they did not bomb a civilian area with bombs. They sent in US Navy seals in a high risk operation. A cost benefit analysis which counted an other country’s civilians as worthy as their own.

Nasrallah has been killed - and how many innocent civilians?

I said that he is described as such because I am making the point that it’s semantics when I was accused of what about. How is Netanyahu welcomed into the UN while he bombs civilians in a sovereign state. He has caused the death of over 40,000 Palestinians in months and has displaced millions and starved a nation. It seems ‘terrorist’ is only reserved for the enemies of Israel and Western countries.

The death toll is likely much higher because the strength of the bombs have probably left no discernible bodies or the bodies are buried in rubble.

Regardless you have stated that those civilian deaths are worth it. So to prevent another 40,000 Palestinian deaths do you advocate for someone to target Netanyahu in a residential area of Tel Aviv killing one thousand Israelis - civilians and soldiers alike and many children as likely his actions will kill
many more?

No of course you won’t - you would be outraged at the suggestion because you don’t see Arabs as humans with lives and families who love and live and mourn their loved ones.

@Custardcream84 thank you for your posts. I have been in tears seeing children in Lebanon looking petrified and made homeless, sleeping rough in the streets because their homes have been bombed. It's good to know there are atleast a few people who care

They haven't necessarily decimated Hezbollah. That means - literally - destroying one tenth of it. What they allegedly have done is killed all of the most senior military figures in Hezbollah.

I wouldn't celebrate what is happening, as such, that would seem ghoulish.

It is also concerning that all this might destabilise the region still further. The full consequences wait to be seen.

However, if this contributes towards reducing or stopping the attacks of Hezbollah on Israel, or reducing or stopping Hezbollah's stranglehold on Lebanon, those would be knock-on positives.

@IAmASpoon Explain a bit more, if you genuinely are interested in the discussion. I thought I was fairly clear that I was referencing the fact that “thou shalt not kill” is central to Christian belief. Feelings about someone dying are an entirely different thing as is how you would express those feelings. I certainly am not trying to misunderstand you.

What they allegedly have done is killed all of the most senior military figures in Hezbollah.

That and blown the balls off a good number as well.

It seems ‘terrorist’ is only reserved for the enemies of Israel and Western countries.

Why the quote marks?

Can you clarify do you see Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation?