How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

As far as I know, Hezbollah have not been officially designated as a terrorist group. So this was not an attack on terrorists.

Last I saw, they were listed as a paramilitary & political group in Lebanon who have Iran as a major donor. They formed in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, so from their perspective they are defending Lebanon from Israeli aggression and their presence on the border is to deter another Israeli invasion.

The exchange of rocket fire by Hezbollah is to militarily pressure Israel into a ceasefire in Gaza. They have said they will stop once Israel stops the war on Gaza & Palestinians. Israel has been likewise responding with rockets and airstrikes of their own at a ratio of roughly 1:4 i.e, every Hezbollah attack on Israel is countered by 4x as many attacks by IDF on Lebanon. Both sides have been targeting military targets or vacant land, although there have been civilian casualties on both sides. The IDF has been less discriminate having killed hundreds of civilians compared to the handfuls killed by Hezbollah.

Calling it a targeted attack is an understatement. It was so precise it was surgical.

I’m curious to know how those objecting to this would attack HZB, or whether they would continue to let the group flourish at the expense of ordinary Lebanese society?

I didn't say they could or should have done the exact same thing. I was commenting on the level of intelligence, money and skill that Mossad has access to that can enable them to pre-empt attacks and target key individuals.

The US, the EU and the GCC have it as a designated terror group.

You are aware that Israel withdrew from every last centimetre of Lebanon in 2000? You need to keep up....The best way that they can stop any Israeli invasion of Lebanon is to stop attacking Israel. Of course, the Iranian take over of Lebanon is A-OK.
Hezbollah started firing on Israel on October 8th before Israel had even set foot in Gaza. Plus if you believe that Hezbollah gives a shiny shit about Palestinians then I have a bridge to sell you. Look at what they did to Palestinians in Syria.
Hezbollah started this war because Iran wants to wear Israel down.

Really hard to believe there are Hezbollah apologists but there you go.

Yeah absolutely, they probably didn’t know where it was going.

I am sorry, but you are incorrect.

Yes Hezbollah personnel are legitimate targets while they are on a military base or engaged in warfare.

They are not legitimate targets while off duty at home with their children or in a supermarket shopping (there was no avoiding harm to civilian infrastructure). When they are out of uniform, they are civilians.

In addition, it is the type of attack that makes it a terror attack.
Not the intended target. Not the entity doing it.

It doesn’t have to be ‘random’ to make it a terror attack. Terror attacks are almost always against a specific target and are meticulously planned and executed.

BTW- I know that about Shin Bet but that is what the dodgy new report was saying, so you can see why I am not treating all the reports blaming Israel for the attack as anything more that speculation at this point in time.

BTW @ToBeDetermined Al Jazeera is not an objective source either but not surprised that that is yoru source of information

I agree.

Except that the action Mossad took yesterday was not terrorism.

"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims."

The targets were not non-combatants.

I'm not talking about the current conflict on Gaza or Oct 7.

Posters are saying what Israel did is ok because it was a targeted attack on a legitimate target. If the PA(the government of Palestine) did the same but to the IDF it would be the same, a targeted attack on a legitimate target.

Suddenly now the goalposts are shifting, it apparently has to be a terrorist organisation that you target, it doesn't matter that the IDF are a legitimate target for Palestinians, because they are an army(and an occupying force) it wouldn't be OK. I think the double standards are interesting and very exposing. As is your deflection of trying to accuse me of justifying Oct 7 when I mentioned neither Hamas nor Gaza in my post. I was clearly talking about a targeted attack on the IDF(the same type of targeted attack many posters are defending) who are a legitimate target for Palestinians.

I don't think you know how Hezbollah works. they are always on duty and move quickly between active combat and "civilian" life. That's their modus operandi and that's why they have their pagers with them - so they can move quickly to attack Israel as and when needed. It's not a regular military force - it's not the Lebanese army.

If this stops one attack on Israeli civilians, then it's a job well done.

They are not legitimate targets while off duty at home with their children or in a supermarket shopping (there was no avoiding harm to civilian infrastructure). When they are out of uniform, they are civilians.

Yikes, just when you think you've heard it all.

Hezbollah are never 'off duty'. Otherwise they would have left their pagers at terrorist HQ, or wherever it is you think they conduct their business from.

@ToBeDetermined 'As far as I know, Hezbollah have not been officially designated as a terrorist group. So this was not an attack on terrorists.'

Quick google would tell you:
As of October 2020, Hezbollah or its military wing are considered terrorist organizations by at least 26 countries, as well as by the European Union and since 2017 by most member states of the Arab League, with the exception of Iraq and Lebanon, where Hezbollah is the most powerful political party.[374]
The countries that have designated Hezbollah a terrorist organization include: the Gulf Cooperation Council,[375] and their members Saudi Arabia,[376] Bahrain,[377] United Arab Emirates,[376] as well as Argentina,[378] Canada,[379] Colombia,[380] Estonia,[381] Germany,[382] Honduras,[383] Israel,[384] Kosovo,[385] Lithuania,[386] Malaysia,[387] Paraguay,[388] Serbia,[381] Slovenia,[389] United Kingdom,[390] United States,[391] and Guatemala.[392]
The EU differentiates between the Hezbollah's political wing and military wing, banning only the latter, though Hezbollah itself does not recognize such a distinction.[381] Hezbollah maintains that it is a legitimate resistance movement fighting for the liberation of Lebanese territory.

Hezbollah are a radical Islamist outfit created in partnership with Iran and part of Iran's strategy to destabilise the region and particularly Israel. They are begind suicide bombings and rocket attacks. They are part of a widespread drugs newtwork with horrifying impact on the region. If they aren't terrorists I truly don't know who is.

@TheOliveGoose it's a strawman argument. It is totally unrealistic that the PA would ever do that to the IDF or vice versa. Neither the PA nor the IDF, for all their problems, are terrorist organizations, intentionally targeting civilians.

Thanks for the clarification

Well exactly. What they hell do people think these pagers are for? They aren't to organise family picnics

In all the investigations, almost none of the Israeli attacks in Gaza have been proven to be 'indescrimante' and in those case where no military targets have been found, that's often a mistake (failure of intelligence or targeting failure), rather than deliberate targeting of civilians. In nearly all cases the targets have been legitimate military targets.

The fact that Hamas embed themselves with civilian populations/infrastructure is often overlooked.

Trying to reframe Hezbollah as a conventional army is nuts.

I'm not sure why you think that is relevant? The IDF/Mossad aren't a terrorist organisation for causing 1000s of explosions so the PA wouldn't become one for doing the same to the IDF. You don't have to be a terrorist organisation to be a legitimate target, being an illegal occupying force is enough. No civilians would be intentionally targeted it would be a targeted attack on a legitimate target. Why does terrorism have to come into it?

Hardly any 'innocent' people have been caught up in this beyond a handfull of civilian injuries and maybe witnessing some terrorists getting a dose of their own medicine.

The people that need to worry are the terrorists - and so should they.

Agree with all the posts on this

@Flibflobflibflob

"Yeah absolutely, they probably didn’t know where it was going"

I think they hey knew where they were going, hence the Taiwanese company Gold Apollo saying it had no idea about the supply to Hezbollah and simply licensed the technology to the Hungarian company BAC.

Meanwhile BAC said that this was untrue, that they didn't manufacture them and were simply an intermediary.

I imagine that senior executives at both Gold Apollo and BAC will be very nervous for a very long time about a retribution attack by Hezbollah operatives/ sympathisers.

I think it's an audacious way of taking out terrorists 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yeah and who has been doing these 'investigations' that supposedly prove that none of the bombings have been indiscriminate?

Israel have been dropping 2,000 pound bombs on schools and refugee camps that are packed to the brim with displaced civilians. Many a times in 'safe zones' where the ordered these same civilians to go to - only to bomb them later.

Quite. I'm still trying to get my head around this statement

When they are out of uniform, they are civilians.

Tell me you have no clue how terrorism works in one short sentence. The naivety & sheer wilfull ignorance on these threads is staggering.