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How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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mids2019 · 17/09/2024 18:11

Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

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ToBeDetermined · 18/09/2024 11:54

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 11:36

You are aware that Israel withdrew from every last centimetre of Lebanon in 2000? You need to keep up....The best way that they can stop any Israeli invasion of Lebanon is to stop attacking Israel. Of course, the Iranian take over of Lebanon is A-OK.
Hezbollah started firing on Israel on October 8th before Israel had even set foot in Gaza. Plus if you believe that Hezbollah gives a shiny shit about Palestinians then I have a bridge to sell you. Look at what they did to Palestinians in Syria.
Hezbollah started this war because Iran wants to wear Israel down.

Really hard to believe there are Hezbollah apologists but there you go.

You are aware that Israel withdrew from every last centimetre of Lebanon in 2000
False. They still occupy the Sheeba Farms region, which is 5,400 acres. How many square centimetres are in just one acre? 40.5 million.

The best way that they can stop any Israeli invasion of Lebanon is to stop attacking Israel.
Odd, because before they existed, Israel invaded Lebanon. But after they formed, Israel hasn’t invaded Lebanon again. So it would seem that their existence is a working deterrent.

Hezbollah started firing on Israel on October 8th before Israel had even set foot in Gaza.
Disingenuous because Israel had started a full air assault on Gaza before lunchtime on the 7th of October in response to the dawn attack by Hamas on Israel.

Plus if you believe that Hezbollah gives a shiny shit about Palestinians
Caring isn’t why entities do things, it’s all about geopolitical interests of various allies.

Hezbollah started this war..
Sorry what war are you talking about? Currently there are cross border skirmishes. It’s not a war yet.

Really hard to believe there are Hezbollah apologists but there you go.
Posting objective facts about Hezbollah instead of letting your “terrorists” hyperbole go un-noted makes me an apologist? That is more hyperbole from you tbh.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 11:54

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 11:47

I'm not sure why you think that is relevant? The IDF/Mossad aren't a terrorist organisation for causing 1000s of explosions so the PA wouldn't become one for doing the same to the IDF. You don't have to be a terrorist organisation to be a legitimate target, being an illegal occupying force is enough. No civilians would be intentionally targeted it would be a targeted attack on a legitimate target. Why does terrorism have to come into it?

Neither the PA nor the IDF would do it to one another. Hezbollah would do it to israelis in a heartbeat, as would Hamas. We've seen it.

Indeed, there was just an attempt to assassinate senior Israeli security personnel by Hezbollah.

Israel doesn't occupy even a cm of Lebanon so it's in no way an "illegal occupying force" so even if you think it's relevant for the Israel/Palestine conflict, it has no bearing on Lebanon.

Parkingt111 · 18/09/2024 11:54

The latest update is that two children are now sadly confirmed dead.

BBC is also reporting that healthcare workers were also injured from pagers exploding.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 11:58

ToBeDetermined · 18/09/2024 11:54

You are aware that Israel withdrew from every last centimetre of Lebanon in 2000
False. They still occupy the Sheeba Farms region, which is 5,400 acres. How many square centimetres are in just one acre? 40.5 million.

The best way that they can stop any Israeli invasion of Lebanon is to stop attacking Israel.
Odd, because before they existed, Israel invaded Lebanon. But after they formed, Israel hasn’t invaded Lebanon again. So it would seem that their existence is a working deterrent.

Hezbollah started firing on Israel on October 8th before Israel had even set foot in Gaza.
Disingenuous because Israel had started a full air assault on Gaza before lunchtime on the 7th of October in response to the dawn attack by Hamas on Israel.

Plus if you believe that Hezbollah gives a shiny shit about Palestinians
Caring isn’t why entities do things, it’s all about geopolitical interests of various allies.

Hezbollah started this war..
Sorry what war are you talking about? Currently there are cross border skirmishes. It’s not a war yet.

Really hard to believe there are Hezbollah apologists but there you go.
Posting objective facts about Hezbollah instead of letting your “terrorists” hyperbole go un-noted makes me an apologist? That is more hyperbole from you tbh.

Actually Shebaa farms belonged to Syria which they lost after attacking Israel in 1967. Syria decided to "give" it to Lebanon to falsely give Hezbollah a reason to "resist". UN has determined it's Syrian territory. Can't believe you actually swallowed this lie. What propoaganda have you been reading?

And you seem to be claiming Hezbollah attacked Israel on 8th October when Israel was still defending itself from the 7 October massacre and trying to prevent further infiltrations. Hezbollah started a war with Israel to take advantage of the Hamas attack, all coordinated by the paymasters in Iran.

gloriagloria · 18/09/2024 12:01

@amigafan2003 In Gaza they have used AI targeting to actually increase deaths of women and children e.g. the use of the Where's Daddy? system that tracked Hamas fighters, waited until they went into their homes and then bombed them so not only the fighter but also their family and neighbours were killed.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 12:03

gloriagloria · 18/09/2024 12:01

@amigafan2003 In Gaza they have used AI targeting to actually increase deaths of women and children e.g. the use of the Where's Daddy? system that tracked Hamas fighters, waited until they went into their homes and then bombed them so not only the fighter but also their family and neighbours were killed.

In Syria, Hezbollah intentionalyl targeted civilians with mortars

ToBeDetermined · 18/09/2024 12:03

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EasterIssland · 18/09/2024 12:03

12 death out of which 2 were children

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:03

Parkingt111 · 18/09/2024 11:50

Yeah and who has been doing these 'investigations' that supposedly prove that none of the bombings have been indiscriminate?

Israel have been dropping 2,000 pound bombs on schools and refugee camps that are packed to the brim with displaced civilians. Many a times in 'safe zones' where the ordered these same civilians to go to - only to bomb them later.

The UN.

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 12:04

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 11:54

Neither the PA nor the IDF would do it to one another. Hezbollah would do it to israelis in a heartbeat, as would Hamas. We've seen it.

Indeed, there was just an attempt to assassinate senior Israeli security personnel by Hezbollah.

Israel doesn't occupy even a cm of Lebanon so it's in no way an "illegal occupying force" so even if you think it's relevant for the Israel/Palestine conflict, it has no bearing on Lebanon.

Do what? Cause 1000s of explosions creating terror, killing children, injuring civilians?

Mossad and the Israeli military did do that. You are obviously acknowledging that it is a despicable thing to do, you just don't care because the target was terrorists. If the target was a different legitimate target you would care and you wouldn't be defending it. Like I said double standards one rule for Israel another rule for everyone else.

Parkingt111 · 18/09/2024 12:05

@amigafan2003 is that a joke? Wasn't it only last week that the UN were fuming after the IDF shot at their convoy.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 12:06

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 12:04

Do what? Cause 1000s of explosions creating terror, killing children, injuring civilians?

Mossad and the Israeli military did do that. You are obviously acknowledging that it is a despicable thing to do, you just don't care because the target was terrorists. If the target was a different legitimate target you would care and you wouldn't be defending it. Like I said double standards one rule for Israel another rule for everyone else.

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Yes, that's right. I don't care in the slightest about Hezbollah terrorists being targeted and I'm pleased that this was done on such a scale with so little innocent deaths or destruction of infrastructure and homes. I have concerns over where this will lead but if it stops more children being killed in Israel, no problem whatsoever.

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:07

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The military wing of Hezbollah is a proscribed terrorist organisation by 26 countries.

TakeMe2Insanity · 18/09/2024 12:07

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 09:28

But it wasn't an indiscriminate attack.

But they weren’t all in one location eg a stadium holding a Hezbollah convention. They were in normal places eg shops.

PeasfullPerson · 18/09/2024 12:07

The people celebrating this, if they lived in Gaza, would they have been out on the streets celebrating October 7th?

When people start to excuse the killing of other human beings by giving them arbitrary labels, or believing that their ‘side’ isn’t as bad and this makes it Ok, then they have lost their humanity.

I don’t celebrate violence <fullstop>

This isn’t the road to peace.

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:09

Parkingt111 · 18/09/2024 12:05

@amigafan2003 is that a joke? Wasn't it only last week that the UN were fuming after the IDF shot at their convoy.

I said in most, not all cases.

And also if you read the nuance of my post, I stated that the few instances of targeting non/military targets turn out to be a mistake, as is the case here.

gladius · 18/09/2024 12:09

What is the road to peace?

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 12:10

TakeMe2Insanity · 18/09/2024 12:07

But they weren’t all in one location eg a stadium holding a Hezbollah convention. They were in normal places eg shops.

They were indeed. And the explosions were small enough that they only killed or injured the person holding the pager, receiving the message (they thought) from Hezbollah high ups. It is sad that children were killed but two children when thousands of Hezbollah terrorists were put out of action is actually considered a very very low level of civilian deaths - and no destruction of infrastructure or buildings.

Parkingt111 · 18/09/2024 12:10

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:09

I said in most, not all cases.

And also if you read the nuance of my post, I stated that the few instances of targeting non/military targets turn out to be a mistake, as is the case here.

There was no mistake in this case.
And you clearly don't have a clue if you think the UN have investigated and concluded that Israel haven't been indiscriminately bombing Gaza.

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:11

TakeMe2Insanity · 18/09/2024 12:07

But they weren’t all in one location eg a stadium holding a Hezbollah convention. They were in normal places eg shops.

Just as well they only used a small amount of explosives that in the large majority of cases only injured the person (terrorist) in possession of the pager then.....................

It almost as if Mossad took practical steps to minimise the impact to civilians.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 12:11

gladius · 18/09/2024 12:09

What is the road to peace?

Well, we could start with hezbollah stopping attacking Israel. Let's see what happens...

ToBeDetermined · 18/09/2024 12:13

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 11:58

Actually Shebaa farms belonged to Syria which they lost after attacking Israel in 1967. Syria decided to "give" it to Lebanon to falsely give Hezbollah a reason to "resist". UN has determined it's Syrian territory. Can't believe you actually swallowed this lie. What propoaganda have you been reading?

And you seem to be claiming Hezbollah attacked Israel on 8th October when Israel was still defending itself from the 7 October massacre and trying to prevent further infiltrations. Hezbollah started a war with Israel to take advantage of the Hamas attack, all coordinated by the paymasters in Iran.

No. Lebanon claims Shebaa farms as its own territory which Syria has agreed with. Historically, it was Lebanese with inhabitants paying taxes to the Lebanese government.

Israel claims the territory belonged to Syria and it was ok for it to seize it in 1981 when it invaded Syria and seized the Golan Heights from Syria,

Syria and Lebanon had agreed it was Lebanese (1920s) before Hezbollah existed (1982), so your rationale would require a Time Machine to be plausible.

It’s not a war yet between Lebanon and Israel. Just like we aren’t at war with Yemen despite the military pressure we are putting on the Houthis pirating shipping in the Red Sea.

Yes, I am saying that Hezbollah started to attack Israel on 8th October to militarily pressure Israel to a ceasefire in Gaza. They started attacking the day after Israel started its retaliatory air assault on Gaza on October 7th.

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:13

Parkingt111 · 18/09/2024 12:10

There was no mistake in this case.
And you clearly don't have a clue if you think the UN have investigated and concluded that Israel haven't been indiscriminately bombing Gaza.

Have the UN deployed peace keepers to Gaza to safeguard the civilian population due to Israel contravening the articles of the Geneva Convention on protecting civilians?

You know, like they did in Serbia?

They haven't?

I wonder why that is.

ToBeDetermined · 18/09/2024 12:15

amigafan2003 · 18/09/2024 12:11

Just as well they only used a small amount of explosives that in the large majority of cases only injured the person (terrorist) in possession of the pager then.....................

It almost as if Mossad took practical steps to minimise the impact to civilians.

Or the fact that pagers aren’t very big 🙄 so you can’t pack even a wedge of blue tack sized C4 in there.

fashionqueen0123 · 18/09/2024 12:15

This thread is bizarre. I can’t believe someone typed out that Hezbollah aren’t a terrorist group. Like what?
Then they are shown quotes and evidence that they are a designated terror group and then

post again that they aren’t.
Is this just trolling now?

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