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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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PeasfullPerson · 27/07/2024 11:36

I didn’t see your post so I don’t know, but I suppose the truth is offensive to people who would rather it was kept from others.

crabsforceltigar · 27/07/2024 17:10

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ScrollingLeaves · 27/07/2024 18:02

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What are you talking about responding to BelleHathor implying she supports people laughing at Jewish people being gunned down?

BelleHathor was replying to another poster about their deleted post and saying it had been about something abhorrent but not allowed to be seen in this post truth world.

BelleHathor · 27/07/2024 18:17

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In the nicest possible manner, get help.

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

PeasfullPerson · 27/07/2024 11:36

I didn’t see your post so I don’t know, but I suppose the truth is offensive to people who would rather it was kept from others.

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:13

@crabsforceltigar I didn't see your now deleted post but I can confirm my post that @BelleHathor was replying to had nothing to do with people laughing at Jewish people being gunned down.

EasterIssland · 27/07/2024 20:27

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

Not sure which guideline that breaks …

PeasfullPerson · 27/07/2024 21:57

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

Was it particularly graphic? Or is there a new rule?

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 10:28

anotherlevel · 27/07/2024 19:09

I received a message from MN - they'd prefer if footage of graphic injuries were not posted on this site because it could cause distress to other posters. I did say it was graphic so posters did have the option of whether they wanted to view it or not.

Just to let you know, I saw it and remember it, thank you.

It shows how this Israeli regime is certainly causing on-going, disproportionate, and ineffective, month after month abhorrent atrocities to the innocent, that maybe Congress should have been shown as a counter to Natanyahu’s speech.

You did issue a warning, thank you, and I personally got ready to be shocked. But perhaps Mumsnet are worried someone would be curious and look anyway, who would be too upset to manage.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 10:53

Thank you. Hearing from soldiers themselves adds so much perspective about the reality. These soldiers probably represent the feelings of some others too who feel they cannot resign.

These are brave men.
He was also dismayed at what he described as a lack of clarity for soldiers regarding the rules of engagement, which he said were far more explicit during his compulsory military service, and felt the rules during this war were far looser than anything he previously experienced.
This corroborates what some of the Israeli soldiers in the +972 article “I shoot because I’m bored”, say.

One of the soldiers, Green, in this Guardian article said,

“I saw soldiers graffiting houses or stealing all the time. They would go into a house for a military reason, looking for weapons, but it was more fun to look for souvenirs – they had a thing for necklaces with Arabic writing that they collected.”*

I wonder what the writing on the necklaces says? It is almost as though they must covet something about the people they are supposed to bring down.

Auvergne63 · 28/07/2024 15:12

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 10:53

Thank you. Hearing from soldiers themselves adds so much perspective about the reality. These soldiers probably represent the feelings of some others too who feel they cannot resign.

These are brave men.
He was also dismayed at what he described as a lack of clarity for soldiers regarding the rules of engagement, which he said were far more explicit during his compulsory military service, and felt the rules during this war were far looser than anything he previously experienced.
This corroborates what some of the Israeli soldiers in the +972 article “I shoot because I’m bored”, say.

One of the soldiers, Green, in this Guardian article said,

“I saw soldiers graffiting houses or stealing all the time. They would go into a house for a military reason, looking for weapons, but it was more fun to look for souvenirs – they had a thing for necklaces with Arabic writing that they collected.”*

I wonder what the writing on the necklaces says? It is almost as though they must covet something about the people they are supposed to bring down.

It is known that murderers take a trophy from their victims so they can relive the feelings they experienced at the time. Sick!

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 16:20

Auvergne63 · 28/07/2024 15:12

It is known that murderers take a trophy from their victims so they can relive the feelings they experienced at the time. Sick!

I have looked up “ necklaces with Arab writing” as I wondered if they might be religious, but they seem to be women’s necklaces with their names. So it seems trophy like as you say, as well as theft as they may be made of gold.

Auvergne63 · 28/07/2024 16:24

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 16:20

I have looked up “ necklaces with Arab writing” as I wondered if they might be religious, but they seem to be women’s necklaces with their names. So it seems trophy like as you say, as well as theft as they may be made of gold.

Necklaces or any other types of jewellery are also easy to carry...

poshsnobtwit · 29/07/2024 00:01

They are likely to be fairly valuable if made of gold, a handful of necklaces could be a nice little earner on the side.

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

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https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

Parkingt111 · 29/07/2024 14:05

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

It's so sick
And it also shows why the IDF always get away with so much, especially when it comes to the abuse of the Palestinians. It's extremely rare to get a prosecution even when there is ample evidence.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/far-right-mks-activists-break-into-sde-teiman-base-amid-probe-into-alleged-abuse/

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 14:13

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

Taken to hospital with “bruises on his buttocks”, as if he just sat down too hard.

“Campaign of persecution against our holy soldiers.”

Goodness, the entitlement.

I wonder if they will be properly prosecuted? .

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 14:18

What is a Nohba terrorist please?

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 14:35

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 12:57

Trigger warning, argument between Police and IDF soldiers at a detention centre. The Police attended to arrest soldiers who sexually assaulted a detainee so severely he had to be Hospitalised. Some prominent Israeli politicians are calling the soldiers "holy" and "heroes" and demanding their release.
https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1817888214767620521

I’ve just been reading about this too. It’s absolutely insane 🤮🤮🤮

So lots of far right ‘activists’ are going to the area to show their support for the rapist…. Just when I thought I could no longer be shocked.

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1817904053462196523?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog this link is also providing updates

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https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1817904053462196523?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 14:47

This is so moving. It’s good to see some people standing by their morals. We just need much more of it to happen now…

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 14:49

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 14:18

What is a Nohba terrorist please?

The IDF allege that one of the Hamas brigades that took part in October 7th was called Nokhba (means commander apparently).
The term is now used to refer any Palestinian detainee (not even charged). It allows the soldiers to abuse the detainees as revenge for October 7th without guilt/concern.

The prison where this occurred is used to hold civilian detainees, the terrorists are housed elsewhere.

@Finallyloggedin imagine the state that the victim must have been in for Israeli doctors to call Israeli Police to arrest the 10+ Soldiers. We've seen the state of released detainees, so this must have been magnitudes worse.

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 15:01

BelleHathor · 29/07/2024 14:49

The IDF allege that one of the Hamas brigades that took part in October 7th was called Nokhba (means commander apparently).
The term is now used to refer any Palestinian detainee (not even charged). It allows the soldiers to abuse the detainees as revenge for October 7th without guilt/concern.

The prison where this occurred is used to hold civilian detainees, the terrorists are housed elsewhere.

@Finallyloggedin imagine the state that the victim must have been in for Israeli doctors to call Israeli Police to arrest the 10+ Soldiers. We've seen the state of released detainees, so this must have been magnitudes worse.

My god, it’s beyond hideous. And still people don’t seem to understand what is going on.

”Israel's Minister of Justice, a chief Netanyahu ally, says about events at Sdeh Teiman today: "Soldiers will not be arrested like common criminals (these are prison guards who raped a Palestinian inmate). It is time for changes". Israel is incompetent and criminal. It's ICC TIME.”

Ori Goldberg, Israeli Academic.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/07/2024 15:48

Finallyloggedin · 29/07/2024 15:01

My god, it’s beyond hideous. And still people don’t seem to understand what is going on.

”Israel's Minister of Justice, a chief Netanyahu ally, says about events at Sdeh Teiman today: "Soldiers will not be arrested like common criminals (these are prison guards who raped a Palestinian inmate). It is time for changes". Israel is incompetent and criminal. It's ICC TIME.”

Ori Goldberg, Israeli Academic.

Linked below is the Times of Israel report.
It only mentions “serious abuse”.

^You can see from reading the article that some Israeli leaders are to be commended for trying to stand up to a rule of law ( even though it is unlikely there would be a conviction imo).

Excerpt,

^Halevi says he supports the Military Advocate General and Military Police’s investigation into suspected serious abuse of a Palestinian detainee.
“It is precisely these investigations that protect our soldiers in Israel and the world and preserve the values of the IDF,” he adds.^

and,

^Opposition Leader Yair Lapid condemns lawmakers who broke into the IDF’s Sde Teiman base alongside far-right activists after nine soldiers were taken from there earlier today for questioning for allegedly abusing a Palestinian detainee.
Their actions constitute “despicable and dangerous criminality” that only serves to “weaken” the IDF and state and “eats away at the foundations of our power from within.”^

“The politicians who abandoned the hostages, abandoned security and destroyed Israeli society are now destroying the chain of command. The country is in existential danger if these people do not leave power,” he declares.

Then there is also the widespread outrage about them being arrested.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-29-2024/

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