This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

Fair enough! I was called out for a comment about extremism and told I was insincere or minimising the suffering. I don’t think I was either of those things. But , based on your answer, we probably largely agree .

What would you have people do? Ignore what's happening? Look away? We owe it to the innocent people who have been murdered and who have had their lives changed forever by this conflict to not look away.

For centuries, history was written by whichever army crushed the other. Now, though, history can still see what innocent people have endured and maybe, one day, that can lead to justice, or at least maybe efforts to protect others from the same fate.

We owe it to innocent people suffering and dying in Palestine (and Lebanon too), just as much as we owe it to the innocent people who suffered and died on the 7th October. We should not ignore what was and is done.

I can’t understand the objection to ‘e c*’ either, especially as in the context of the video - the night boat tour for extremist Israelis to watch Palestinians being killed in Gaza which is alight and glowing with explosions from Israeli bombs, while the boat trippers talk of how they’ll move in there once the [Palestinians are dead or have left] - epitomises the idea of ‘e c’ there is no other word here.

It’s the 4th thread with this title and topic. I tell you something that would stop us posting relentless links : Israeli citizens (not all I know but some of them) stopping treating Palestinians they way they do. And government taking action with those that have extremist views and behaviour, but this will not happen as the government itself is feeding this ideology of Palestinians bad let’s displace and kill them

@Limesodaagain I don't think you were insincere or minimising. I understand your concerns around anti-semitism, but I hope that those who truly want peace care about the rights and equality of all people, whatever their religion or ethnicity..

If it makes you uncomfortable that's fair enough. It should, because what's happening is hideous.

I'm not going to stop talking about what's happening because it makes you uncomfortable to witness it or hear people talk about it. You can always avoid these threads if you prefer not to see what's happening.

Haaretz

'Your Village Should Be Burned'|
Arab Israeli Girl, 12, Suspended From School After Empathizing With Gazan Children

In a class discussion, the girl said that children in Gaza were dying of hunger. Classmates said her village should burn, and allegedly attacked her after class. The school told parents said they suspended her to protect her, but Education Ministry officials accused her of 'inciting against the army'

A Be'er Sheva high school suspended an Israeli Arab pupil last week after she expressed solidarity with Gazan children.

The Times of Israel about the Arab Israeli school girl suspended from school:
www.timesofisrael.com/beersheba-girl-suspended-from-school-after-voicing-concern-for-gazan-kids/

but Education Ministry officials accused her of 'inciting against the army'
Accused a 12 year old of this!!!

Yahya Sinwar is a Palestinian is he not? So if this Palestinian is a cockroach with blood dripping from fangs and demon tongue, then wouldn’t all Palestinians similarly be cockroaches? Similar images have been banned for dehumanising an ethnic group even when it is only featuring a known person of importance from that ethnicity.

As it is, I have another two dehumanising Israeli cartoons for you. Look at who is being portrayed as a human and who is being portrayed as a wasp or cockroach. How would you feel if Nethanyu had been drawn as something other than a human?

Oxfam has it right in their new ad

"Stop arming Israel".

It would be right if also they suggested Iran stopped arming Hamas and Hezbollah. Guess that's not important 😕

That is seriously disturbing

It's so outrageous that adults would behave like this. It's unbelievable. School should be a safe place for children but the teachers and principal here, and some in the Education Ministry behaved appallingly. It's a chilling insight into what certain groups living in Israel have to endure.

I’m not surprised at all hateful parents teach children to be hateful

Let’s not forget there was a surge to the right in the last election, for years West Bank settlers have been allowed to get away with taking land and many Isrealis hate Palestinians they think of them as animals

Yes for balance many Palestinians hate Israelis

but we all know one group holds power

Yahya Sinwar is a Palestinian is he not? He is indeed.

So if this Palestinian is a cockroach with blood dripping from fangs and demon tongue, then wouldn’t all Palestinians similarly be cockroaches?
Not at all. I'm shocked that you've suggested all Palestinians are cockroaches, that's incredibly dehumanising. There's only Yahya Sinwar in that cartoon so it's obviously referring only to him. Maybe it would've been more accurate if Yahya Sinwar had been portrayed as a leech? Maybe a spider in his web?

Similar images have been banned for dehumanising an ethnic group even when it is only featuring a known person of importance from that ethnicity.
You'll have to be more specific because it's not clear what you're referring to.

Look at who is being portrayed as a human and who is being portrayed as a wasp or cockroach.
Both of these cartoons are employing visual metaphors.
If you look properly at the first cartoon, it's referring to the wretched consequences of extremism (It actually says "EXTREMISM" on the drain) spreading or swarming out from Iran over the region, like cockroaches from a drain. The ideology not the people.
In the second cartoon, the wasps' nest is still wholly intact and all that's happening is Netanyahu is covered in stings and plasters. It unflatteringly portrays him as ineffectual, stupid and only hurting himself and highlights the futility of both parties' inability to break the cycle. It reads more like a criticism of Netanyahu than anything else.

How would you feel if Nethanyu had been drawn as something other than a human? I think I'd cope.

https://www.propublica.org/article/gaza-palestine-israel-blocked-humanitarian-aid-blinken
The U.S. government’s two foremost authorities on humanitarian assistance concluded this spring that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of food and medicine into Gaza.

@Gaimbin
FFS I’m not suggesting that.

Cartoons that depict people of an ethnicity as insects or animals are recognised as dehumanising the entire ethnic group even if the cartoon only depicts one well known person of that ethnicity.

Dehumanisation is why the cartoon showing Prince Harry with a chimpanzee bride was banned for racist dehumanisation of Black people. Dehumanisation was why Nazi propaganda depicting a Jewish person as a pig or rat was antisemitic - there are over 900 examples of such antisemtic dehumanisation imagery in the Holocaust museum and most of them portray 1 person.

It has been well studied by genocide experts that such imagery is not innocently metaphorical and this dehumanisation creates the sort of fertile ground that paves the way from racism to apartheid to genocide.

Oxfam is saying it to their own government who is elected to represent British people and entities. It would be as pointless for a British charity to suggest something to a foreign government as it would for an Iranian charity to suggest something to the British government.

A cockroach with Yahya Sinwar's face and a green Hamas headband, depicting Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader who planned and executed October 7th, bringing bloody catastrophe down on the heads of Israelis and Palestinians alike. Not the Palestinian people.

Extremism emanating from Iran depicted as cockroaches swarming from a drain clearly labelled "Iran extremism". Not the Iranian or Palestinian people.

A wasps' nest clearly labelled "Hamas" so the wasps obviously represent Hamas. Not the Palestinian people.

I'm not convinced the 'genocide experts' would agree with your assessment as none of the cartoons you've posted are comparable to Nazi propaganda, the ways in which the Nazis used imagery to dehumanise Jewish people or outright racism against a Black woman.

Context for these cartoons is important too. At the moment the Israeli state considers any man in Gaza to be Hamas and torturs/kills them accordingly.

Context is important, as is not resorting to hyperbole, fabrication or specious Nazi comparisons.

The link in my first post was to an article on the widely observed dehumanisation of Palestinians through political cartoons and public discourse by the CJPME included an open letter from the Independent Jewish Voice.

The comments on dehumanisation, concerns from genocide experts and comparisons to similar Nazi dehumanisation methods come from CJPME and IJV, referencing the cockroach and IDF boot cartoon. So even if you are not convinced thousands of others do see it, and these include Jewish groups as well.

None of the cartoons I have referenced are “fabrications” I posted them as attached images so they were drawn and were published. They are only a few out of many.

Comparing a cartoon insulting a terrorist leader to the Nazi dehumanisation of Jewish people is disgusting.

It is discussing the use of derogatory cartoon images to dehumanise a population. A method which has been used to dehumanise many groups including Jews.