This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

This was from the VP of the EU

Horrified by images from a sheltering school in Gaza hit by an Israeli strike, w/ reportedly dozens of Palestinian victims.

At least 10 schools were targeted in the last weeks. There’s no justification for these massacres

We are dismayed by the terrible overall death toll.

Haaretz

White House: 'Deeply Concerned' Over Israeli Gaza City School Strike; Qatar, EU Condemn 'Massacre'

After rescue services reported that over 90 Palestinians were killed in an airstrike on a Gaza City school compound, the U.K. urged Israel to comply with international law, while Saudi Arabia condemned the strike 'in the strongest possible terms'

Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the U.K., and the EU condemned an Israeli attack Saturday after reports from Gaza said more than 90 Palestinians were killed and dozens wounded in a strike on a Gaza City school sheltering displaced people.

The Israeli army said it targeted a Hamas command center and that the death count was exaggerated.

"According to an initial review, the numbers published by the Hamas-run Government Information Office in Gaza, do not align with the information held by the IDF, the precise munitions used, and the accuracy of the strike," the army's international spokesperson initially said.

Israel Claims 19 Terrorists Were Killed in Strike That Reportedly Killed Over 90 Gazans

Dozens more were wounded in the airstrike that the Israeli army said targeted a Hamas 'command and control center' in the Al-Taba'een school, near a mosque in Daraj Tuffah

Hamas said 90 people had been killed in an Israeli strike on a Gaza City school in which displaced Palestinians were sheltering overnight into Saturday.

The Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet security service said later Saturday that they were able to verify the deaths of 19 Hamas and Islamic Jihad members who were inside the headquarters that were attacked in the school.

I wonder how? Did they go in and collect their bodies, and parts of their bodies and check?

“Headquarters” or a place where possibly Hamas people were praying?

France 24.com
^Dawn prayers were shattered by the early morning triple air strike from Israeli warplanes, which gutted Al-Tabieen religious school and mosque in Gaza City.
In the hellish aftermath, body parts were strewn around the rubble and charred, bloodied bodies slumped in the wreckage of the two-storey complex.^

Grim-faced volunteers piled corpses in blood-stained blankets into an ambulance, as seriously wounded men lay groaning on the ground.

Gaza's civil defence agency said at least 93 people were killed, 17 of them women and children, making it one of the war's deadliest strikes.

Israel's military disputed the death toll, saying the school was targeted with "precision munitions" because it "served as an active Hamas and Islamic Jihad military facility".

(nb according to US doctors who had been working in Gaza hospitals they reckon the overall death toll is likely much higher, not lower, than the Gaza authorities are giving out.)

Haaretz

Turkey's Foreign Ministry said in a statement it released on X that "Israel has committed a new crime against humanity by massacring more than a hundred civilians who had taken refuge in a school building in the Daraj neighbourhood of Gaza City."

Turkey also asserted that "This attack demonstrated once again that the Netanyahu Government intends to sabotage the negotiations for a permanent ceasefire."

"International actors who do not take steps to stop Israel are complicit in Israel's crimes," the statement continued.

EU foreign policy head Josep Borrell also condemned the attack, saying in a post on X, "Horrified by images from a sheltering school in Gaza hit by an Israeli strike, w/ reportedly dozens of Palestinian victims. At least 10 schools were targeted in the last weeks. There's no justification for these massacres."

Informatio. About who these 19 people are
https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822333134978916826

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822369854550339752

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0810/1464381-ireland-gaza/

Irish President comments on the massacre.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0811/1464419-ireland-middle-east/

Taoiseach Simon Harris said the "world is standing at the precipice of a horrific moment' and called for an urgent review of the EU-Israel Association Agreement amid, what he said, is "growing evidence of a prolonged humanitarian catastrophe" in Gaza.

The Taoiseach said the weekend had "brought the grisly milestone of 40,000 deaths in Gaza a step closer" after the territory's health officials said an Israeli airstrike on a school killed around 100 people.

He described the attack on the al-Taba’een school as "gut-wrenching", adding that "490 of Gaza’s schools have been bombed or damaged since the start of the war".

"Ireland condemns outright such awful and wholesale loss of civilian life," he said.

Mr Harris’s request for a review of the agreement follows a call earlier this year by then taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez.
Mr Varadkar and Mr Sanchez wrote to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, calling for a review of whether Israel is compliant with its human rights obligations under the EU-Israel Association Agreement.
In a statement this morning, Mr Harris reiterated this call for a review.
"The agreement contains human rights clauses, and I do not believe it is conscionable for the EU to continue to render them redundant," he said.

The Taoiseach said he is "particularly disturbed" by reports from the United Nations that "the number of aid deliveries reaching Gaza has halved to fewer than 80 trucks a day in June and July".

He said that the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has reported that "only 24 of 67 planned aid missions to northern Gaza this month have been facilitated by Israel".

Mr Harris noted that more than 80% of Gaza is under evacuation orders, and Palestinians are seeking shelter in schools which are being attacked.

He said: "We have all been horrified by the many undoubted war crimes that have been committed in Gaza.

"There can be no impunity.

"Those responsible must be held to account."

The Taoiseach described the world as "standing at the precipice of a horrific moment and yet all levers to bring an end to the violence are not being used".

He said that "all the legally binding orders" of the International Court of Justice must also be "implemented in full".

"Too many innocent lives have been lost in ten months," he said.

Ireland, he said, calls for "an immediate ceasefire, the unconditional release of Israeli hostages and for aid trucks to flow unimpeded".

Unfortunately, they will most likely carry on as normal - or what has become normal. They don’t seem to care about the hostages becoming collateral damage in bombing attacks either.

Kamala Harris has just criticised the loss of civilian life in this last attack but it will not mean much in practice.

Latest Israeli massacre in Gaza school condemned as people flee attack on Khan Younis 'safe zone' https://jrnl.ie/6460419

Being moved on again. This is relentless

It's relentless and cruel and designed to inflict as much terror and hardship on civilians as possible.

Thank you for this news report link
https://jrnl.ie/6460419
Excerpt:
“Peaceful people – women, children, and youths – were performing the Fajr prayer as usual when suddenly a missile hit them,” said Abu Wassim, who lives nearby and came to survey the scene.

“They were reduced to remains. Children were torn apart, and women were burned. What can we say or do? What is in our power?”

But in Haaretz it says that
The IDF said that its intelligence indicated that there were no women and children at the Gaza City school it targeted on Saturday, which it claimed was being used as a Hamas command center.

Either the IDF’s intelligence saying there were no women or children there was useless, or they are just saying this as a sound bite.

As their intelligence was evidently so fallible, I wonder if it was equally questionable regarding the “Hamas command center”?

Either the IDF’s intelligence saying there were no women or children there was useless, or they are just saying this as a sound bite.
@ScrollingLeaves definitely the latter

Yes, it is and it is Hamas and Hezbollah use that tactic 100% of the time. They hide behind civilians and then H&H help stoke the propaganda fires that it is someone else and not THEM causing this war. They gleefully get Palestinians blown up hoping the negative press will stop the war and give them time to reboot their defenses, re-stoke their terror and look for a next victim.

Hamas and Hezbollah need to be destroyed; N is doing exactly what he warned Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah would happen if they did not return their people: protecting Israel.

Hamas and Hezbollah are the ones committing genocide, they make that very clear.

@Sheri99 I am glad you very rightly used the word genocide to describe the situation in Palestine. So many on here object to the word despite the repeated starvation, displacement and bombing of Palestinians.
Do you truly believe that Hamas are committing this genocide when it is Israeli (and American) bombs that are raining down on innocent civilians sheltering in a school?
Because "they made us do it" as an argument is probably not going to stand up when history examines this genocidal situation involving a democratic nation.

"They gleefully get Palestinians blown up"

What do you mean by this? Is this you describing Israel blowing up Palestinians?

Absolutely not: Hamas and Hezbollah, by hiding behind Palestinian (and other) civilians, cause the the deaths of the Palestinians. By "gleefully" I mean H and H happily use the emotion of the public and press rhetoric, social media, to make appear as if Israel is the "bad" guy. And Iran supports H and H, yet have little control over these terrorists.

Israel is attempting to defend itself against more future attacks by going after Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah terrorists blew up the US Marine Corps barracks in Lebanon in Oct of 1983 and killed more than 200 Marine and Navy personnel. The US was there with other allied countries attempting to stabilize the region - the countries were there in peace but Hezbollah decided to bomb the barracks - and kill more than 200 Marines who were there for peacekeeping purposes.

"They made me do it" doesn't work as an excuse for bad behaviour at primary school. It isn't a valid excuse for bombing, shooting or starving civilians either.

Using your logic the Israeli government is "hiding behind civilians" in Tel Aviv as they have built a military location in the middle of the city. I hope you keep that same energy if it is targeted.

So that is what you're saying. Israel targets and blows up civilians for 10 months but it's not their responsibility or fault. Got it.

Genocide is the intentional act killing of a race or people, or destroying their society in total, to eliminate them or their ideals from existence. Think Rwanda - the nearly 1M who were killed; the Communists under Mao who killed 27 Million to be rid of Chinese society, The Rape of Nanking, Darfur, Pol Pot in Cambodia; Bosnia/Herzegovina. THOSE were genocide. Israel is hunting down Hezbollah and Hamas terrorist roaches who attacked because they are Jews. Iran supports these roaches because IRAN would like every Jew on earth gone. It isn't Israel who doing the genocide. That is like saying Russia was doing genocide by defending Moscow. If a nation is DEFENDING itself it isn't genocide it is a defensive action NOT an offensive action of which genocide is by the term "intentional act". Israel is no more intentionally killing Palestinians because of who they are, or to destroy their society than the EU or the US. The Palestinian "society" is being controlled by terrorist factions - and those factions are not a recognized government organization. it is a band of hoodlums seeking to kill all Jews - and some of them ALL Christians. The Palestinian Authority is no Little Bo Peep, either. Heaven forbid if you are gay in Palestine.

Yawn... It's been 10 months, the propaganda doesn't work anymore. Let's see how history judges the "they made me do it" contingent.

I missed the very start but wonder if anyone else heard Radio 4 Today with Michel Hussein interviewing a spokesman for the Israeli government, David Mencer. (English, now Israeli.)

He was extremely aggressive in avoiding questions. The more a question needed answering the more he attacked instead of answering and the more he accused her of being a spokesperson for Hamas and causing anti-semitism on the streets of London.

It was an extraordinary interview. I can only urge people to listen on radio 4 iPlayer because it would be difficult to say here what I think of him having heard this.

Genocide is the intentional act killing of a race or people, or destroying their society in total, to eliminate them or their ideals from existence.

@Sheri99
Sorry, but this is not the legal definition of genocide that the ICJ & ICC have used to declare prior conflicts to be genocides or to bring war criminals to justice for genocide.

So the rest of your rationale as to why you think Gaza is not genocide is meaningless.

In addition, experts in genocide have pointed out in numerous studies that genocidal fascists will declare the victim population to be an existential threat to their side in order to justify genocide. In other words the “self defence” justification is actually a red flag of impending or ongoing genocide and not evidence that genocide is highly unlikely or not happening.

Here is the definition of genocide.
”Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Elements of the crime
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.
The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:

1. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
2. A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
3. Killing members of the group
4. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
5. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
6. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
7. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Defending itself? Are you absolutely nuts? It's gone way, way beyond that. Israel has besmirched its reputation for ever in how it's behaved, and almost everyone sees it.

At least they were targeting soldiers and not civilians.

You do know the attack was because of the Sabra and Shatila massacre by the invading Israeli army along with Lebanese Christians and the US peacekeeping forces just idly watched instead of protecting Palestinian refugees? Not really “stabilising” things were they?

“September 16, 1982, marked the start of a horrific 43-hour massacre, killing an estimated more than 3,000 Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila Refugee Camps in Southern Lebanon. Sabra and Shatila were home to Palestinian refugees who had been displaced from their homeland, primarily from the village of Balad Al-Sheikh.* *Within Lebanon, there are 12 UNRWA Palestinian refugee camps, including Shatila. Shatila was established in 1949, following the 1948 Nakba.
https://thejerusalemfund.org/2023/09/sabra-and-shatila-massacre-four-decades-of-unforgotten-tragedy/

Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg.

In most cases of genocide, from Bosnia to Namibia, from Rwanda to Armenia, the perpetrators of the murder said they were acting in self-defence. The fact that what is happening in Gaza does not resemble the Holocaust, writes Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg, does not mean that it is not genocide

thepalestineproject.medium.com/yes-it-is-genocide-634a07ea27d4