Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike

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Well done Israel - fantastic, wonderful news
xxx

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13508615/Israel-rescues-four-hostages-alive-Gaza-Noa-Argamani-motorbike.html

It is indeed clear that the post was about the total number of Palestianian reported deaths.

There are two options here. Stick to the number of non-combatants only, which will be lower than the total number. Or go for the bigger number and accept that this also includes combatants. Because the poster concerned chose the higher figure, which includes combatants, that makes comment on combatants justified.

While the official approach is not to do breakdowns of casualties, hospital reports give child casualty numbers of 60-70 and 50-60 women. There are also huge numbers of people injured, hundreds, so the numbers of people who die from their injuries may push up those figures.

Rest assured it wasn't a personal attack. Some posters seem to take issue with it being pointed out how their posts about Palestinians come across

@WildSage "Pro Palestine protests started on Oct 8th before Israel had fired a bullet at Gaza FGS! Who coordinated them so quickly 🤔"

I keep seeing this said on here and I'm fairly sure it is inaccurate. I don't have time to check now but I am sure I read Israel started to retaliate firing into Gaza on the 7th. I think that's when the young boy was killed in Gaza, amongst others, who had a big Tiktok/social media following.

Do you not agree that many, if not all, of the non participating civilian casualties may have come from participating civilians and other terrorist groups in the area opening fire on the IDF?

Including the 60 or so children? Many were not killed by gunfire but airstrikes on the camp.

No, I don't agree with that assertion as I haven't seen evidence of that. But perhaps the details of how people died might be better shared and discussed in the other thread.

I thought that happened to create a fire corridor to allow the removal of the hostages.

And it remains true that had Hamas not chosen to use RPGs etc, it is very likely that many of the civilians would not have died.

Someone said upthread that nobody here supports Hamas, yet some posters uncritically repeat Hamas's information and imply that the IDF is to blame for all the deaths, effectively excusing Hamas.

@WildSage I've made time to check and your statement is incorrect.
Awni Eldous: The Palestinian boy who found YouTube fame after death - BBC News

Someone said upthread that nobody here supports Hamas, yet some posters uncritically repeat Hamas's information and imply that the IDF is to blame for all the deaths, effectively excusing Hamas.

This.

And for me, that lot are more interesting than the out and out Hamas supporters.

Priceless!

Kenneth Roth, former head of Human Rights Watch, was community noted for spreading misinformation/disinformation.

Beware of those who claim to know what they're talking about yet have been shown to be misleading other people.

Tut, tut, Ken....

Roth has form for this does he not?

Shock at impact on civilians of Israeli raid in Gaza to free hostages 11 June 2024

FROM
Spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Jeremy Laurence
LOCATION
Geneva

We are profoundly shocked at the impact on civilians of the Israeli forces’ operation in An Nuseirat at the weekend to secure the release of four hostages. Hundreds of Palestinians, many of them civilians, were reportedly killed and injured. The manner in which the raid was conducted in such a densely populated area seriously calls into question whether the principles of distinction, proportionality and precaution - as set out under the laws of war - were respected by the Israeli forces.
Our Office is also deeply distressed that Palestinian armed groups continue to hold many hostages, most of them civilians, which is prohibited by international humanitarian law. Furthermore, by holding hostages in such densely populated areas, the armed groups doing so are putting the lives of Palestinian civilians, as well as the hostages themselves, at added risk from the hostilities.
All these actions, by both parties, may amount to war crimes.
The High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Türk, welcomes Security Council Resolution 2735 calling for a "full and complete ceasefire", the release of hostages held by Palestinian armed groups, the return of the remains of dead hostages, and the exchange of Palestinian prisoners. An immediate priority must be to ensure the full and unfettered flow of humanitarian aid to the desperate population of Gaza.
The High Commissioner calls on all parties as well as third States, in particular those with influence over the parties to the conflict, to also maximise efforts to work towards the goal whereby Israelis and Palestinians can fully enjoy all human rights and live side by side, in peace.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-briefing-notes/2024/06/shock-impact-civilians-israeli-raid-gaza-free-hostages

Indeed, this.

Shouldn't this be on the other thread?

This is a thread to CELEBRATE the mission.

Desperate despot are incredibly dangerous. Sadly, many listen to him, to his rallying cries, any deaths of innocents he shares gladly to increase support

Unfortunately, he does, yes.

In the eyes of some people.

UN - wrong

ICC - wrong

ICJ - wrong

Israel - always right.

Every time but I mean every time I post on other threads, I am told I am derailing/deflecting.

Why is it OK for certain posters to say this but then do the same themselves?

Have the ICC and ICJ commented on the hostage rescue? I can't find anything, perhaps you could link.

UN have stated that

The manner in which the raid was conducted in such a densely populated area seriously calls into question whether the principles of distinction, proportionality and precaution - as set out under the laws of war - were respected by the Israeli forces.

That there are existing concerns of criminality relating to the leader of Israel and the conduct of its forces in Gaza is of considerable relevance. Do you not think?

I asked you about the ICC and ICJ. You must have had some reason for mentioning them specifically on a thread about the hostage release, so now's the time to explain what it was. This is particularly important wrt the ICC, since they're not even part of the UN.

Not sure whether this has been posted.
The doctor overseeing the recovery of four Israeli hostages rescued from the Gaza Strip said Monday that they were beaten regularly during their captivity by the Hamas terror group.
Dr. Itai Pessach of Sheba Medical Center outside Tel Aviv told CNN that the hostages suffered almost daily abuse and that their time in captivity was “a harsh, harsh experience.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rescued-hostages-were-beaten-almost-every-day-says-doctor-who-treated-them/#:~:text=Dr.%20Itai%20Pessach%20of%20Sheba,beyond%20comprehension%2C%E2%80%9D%20Pessach%20said.