Jerusalem day parade by settlers

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The provocation continues. This isn’t Gaza. This is a show of might and the opportunity to abuse.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/05/jerusalem-israeli-nationalist-flag-march-muslim-areas

@Humdingerydoo You have no way of knowing the level of fear of Palestinians in Jerusalem, therefore you can not judge it equal to the fear of Jewish people in London. You simply don't have the information. I have no idea if your statement is true or not, and if you are honest, nor do you.

There is literally no one in the world who will know how a Palestinian in Jerusalem and a Jew in London feels. No one. Not a single person. Yet you feel like you can make the judgement? Based on what? But I can't make that judgement? Why?

Also not sure why you're accusing me of being dishonest.

@Humdingerydoo You can make any judgements you like. That doesn't mean others should agree with them or think you are right. Personally I do not believe you can judge the fear of two different groups of people and tell me they are the same. Especially as you don't know most of them. I don't claim to know the feelings of all people anywhere, myself. I'm done with this, though. I think it's not the point of the thread.

www.instagram.com/reel/C72WI5Sp6ZE/?igsh=MmRlZ3Izc2Fpc3hh

Ok well as a Jew in London, I can assure you it's absolutely terrifying. Not that you seem to believe anything I say, but I guess there's been a long-running theme of that on this thread of people not believing what Jews are telling them.

I am very sorry to hear that @Humdingerydoo I absolutely believe what you tell me of your own feelings.

@stormy4319trevor - Jewish people in London feel TERRRIFIED ever Saturday in the UK and it's not one march there have been hundreds - not just in London but all over the UK. Suburbs and cities. Flares, masks, jihadist chants,anti-Semitic placards and chants.

EVERY WEEK.

Get it?

Not ONE march.

Hundreds.

Plus graffiti, death threats, stoning.

You don't get to minimise this, do you hear? Because this is what you are doing.

I am sure the Palestinians are terrified near Jerusalem today.

But Jewish people are scared on a daily basis.

And don't start on whataboutery...about Gaza.

This is about Jewish people and their fear in the UK.

Written in single lines to hope the message gets through and hopefully without whataboutery.

@Humdingerydoo are you even reading what stormy is saying?
It's clear from their posts that they are not denying that there are British Jews who feel unsafe due to the matches but they disagree that the marches taking place in Britain have a similar comparison to the Jerusalem march that took place today.

And suddenly the thread about a right wing march led by a fanatic in Jerusalem is about how people in London feel! Wow.

@keenforhelp I am sure the Palestinians are terrified near Jerusalem today.

But Jewish people are scared on a daily basis.

Again do you think the Palestinians are having a fun picnic the rest of the days? 500 Palestinians have been killed in the occupied west bank alone since October 7th so if there's anyone who is minimising anything right now, it is you.

Yes, I saw their "I believe that you believe" bit. You guys are the ones not reading what I'm saying. Or listening to what Jews have been saying for 8 months.

It's clear that you guys will not accept that the only reason Jews aren't harmed on a weekly basis is because we stay away. We don't go where we will be at risk. A lot of people also don't go anywhere near the marches because they keep Shabbat and live far away, so they're also safe. We are safe because we (mostly) stay away, not because the marchers are peaceful.

Sorry @TakeMe2Insanity I wanted to respond to @Humdingerydoo , who I am actually quite fond of, though I'm sure I'm a masssive irritation to them. But I didn't mean to derail and will not engage further. Thank you @Parkingt111 You always understand things and express them clearly.

@Humdingerydoo who is 'you guys' this isn't about us and them.
You don't know what I think about the marches, you just constantly make alot of assumptions about what posters are thinking.

@Humdingerydoo how much clearer than this does it have to be?
Again you are making assumptions about posters and their thoughts.

I see your point- but even if these accounts are pro-Hamas - does not necessarily mean the photos originate from the accounts? There’s a lot of sharing of photos that originate from other sources. For example, people reposting photos of support for Palestinians around the world or photos from within Gaza.

Photos are also primary sources, and not a biased interpretation of events like a commentary piece in the DM.

Interesting that we are here comparing the DM with individual SM accounts. Shows the power of the former. This is also why the Israeli government is loosing the propaganda war- due entirely to its own actions. The victor no longer gets to write history.

"you guys" ie the people I'm currently talking to.

Didn't they also say "I believe that you believe"? Or was that someone else? I'm losing track now

I just checked, it was them. So no, their messaging to me hasn't always been particularly clear.

They said that they believe that you believe ie 'you are of the opinion that Jewish people are as terrified of the marches as the Palestinians were today.
That is not the same as saying that they believe that you believe that Jewish people are terrified of the marches. They were simply stating that you believe that there is an equal comparison between the two groups and the fear they feel. Not negating that Jewish people are afraid of the marches

It was later clarified again that they do believe you in regards to your own fears.

@Humdingerydoo Yes I believe that you believe you know the fear of Jewish people caused by Pro Palestinian marchers is equal to the fear of Palestinians in Jerusalem today. But I don't believe it. Because it is illogical. You are not God, you have no way of knowing this.

Sorry, cross posted with you stormy

Thanks parking. Put so nice and clearly.

As I said, literally no one has any way of knowing this yet you assume my opinion is wrong. I find that insulting.

Happy to leave it here though if you are, as this discussion is clearly not going to go anywhere.

And if it helps, I'll gladly repeat that I think the march today was beyond horrendous and shouldn't have been allowed to take place. No one should have to stay at home just to keep out of harms way from absolute thugs. People should still be able to safely go about their everyday business despite protests, marches, vigils or celebrations.

The age of those involved is really shocking and it doesn't bode well for the future of Palestinians in the West Bank when such young people seem so full of hatred towards them.