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Fab238 · 03/06/2024 17:28

Nautiluss · 03/06/2024 16:37

English imperialism certainly has a lot to answer for. As does French, Spanish, Dutch and Portuguese. Maybe some countries could do themselves a favour by banning the citizens of those countries as well, if we're going all out for redressing the balance.

The comment that I quoted was unlikely to have been made by French, Spanish, Dutch or Portuguese...what exactly is your point?

HelenHen · 03/06/2024 17:34

DownNative · 03/06/2024 15:15

Meaning you appealed to negative emotions, i.e., "shameful", in response to a statement of fact in regards to the Government of the Maldives.

It doesn't mean "Here, you! Put your emotions away!". In short, I'm well aware of your attempts at manipulation and simply not buying what you're trying to sell.

And the phrase you're looking for is "alleged genocide". It's far from proven. You're free to believe it, of course, but other people don't have to agree with you. 🤷‍♂️

Have a good day.....

No, I mean you talk about it like appealing to emotions is some kind of game or tactic. What do you mean by that? Is all of this a game to you?

And who have I tried to manipulate? That's rich!

I can assure you I have better things to be doing than playing games or trying to manipulate anyone. This is all a bit odd tbh

HelenHen · 03/06/2024 18:04

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 16:22

I didn't say Israel need them - I just suggested what was going to happen.

Everyone I speak at the gym supports Israel - Muslims, Hindus, Christians, like everybody. Obviously if you go by the social media bots then you won't get the right idea.

Recognising Palestine as a state doesn't mean not supporting Israel - it is done for political reasons but I can tell you now - those countries love Jewish people and Israelis having travelled in them extensively.

Thank you for saying Ireland loves Jewish people, because it's absolutely the truth. Also Israelis have always been welcome in Ireland. It's been quite shocking to see all the Irish smears that have been made in this forum.

Arconialiving · 03/06/2024 18:17

Completely agree @keenforhelp & @HelenHen

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 19:25

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 16:46

You are being extremely unfair to those who've suffered under Israeli occupation and blockade by suggesting these atrocities didn't/don't happen. You can ignore human rights abuses if you want. But it doesn't mean they're not happening.

It's complete rubbish to states that I suggested any " atrocities didn't/don't happen. That really ruffled my feathers.

I do not ignore human rights abuse and highlight. Just because I am not partaking of your echo chamber, doesn't mean you have the right to insult me. You really need to dial back on the aggression.

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 19:27

HelenHen · 03/06/2024 18:04

Thank you for saying Ireland loves Jewish people, because it's absolutely the truth. Also Israelis have always been welcome in Ireland. It's been quite shocking to see all the Irish smears that have been made in this forum.

@HelenHen no problem at all.

I would love to move to Ireland actually as I found it such a friendly, welcoming place (Dublin). Fresh air, lovely people, great pubs and people who loved to chat to me about my background and culture. And I have said it before but James Joyce is literally my literary hero!

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 19:28

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 19:25

It's complete rubbish to states that I suggested any " atrocities didn't/don't happen. That really ruffled my feathers.

I do not ignore human rights abuse and highlight. Just because I am not partaking of your echo chamber, doesn't mean you have the right to insult me. You really need to dial back on the aggression.

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I must have misunderstood your comment about dogs being treated well then. Can you explain what you meant?

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 19:33

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 19:28

I must have misunderstood your comment about dogs being treated well then. Can you explain what you meant?

YOU used the simile - I merely explained that dogs are treated well in the UK and Ireland. You DO live in Ireland right? An animal loving place?

Odd to use this simile if you meant something completely the opposite. That cliche may have been true once - not anymore.

TomeTome · 03/06/2024 19:45

When South Africa operated their apartheid regime, much of the world supported the sanctions in the hopes they would find a better way. I can’t see this is very different. The Maldives have not attacked Israel with force all they have said is they won’t be welcoming Israelis in their country until the brutality stops. I admire their actions, putting your hand up for what you believe is hard especially when you rely so heavily on the tourist trade. I’d support our government making some firm move to show disgust at the slaughter. Unlike previous posters that is the common response to what the IDF are doing among people I have spoken to.

HelenHen · 03/06/2024 19:45

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 19:27

@HelenHen no problem at all.

I would love to move to Ireland actually as I found it such a friendly, welcoming place (Dublin). Fresh air, lovely people, great pubs and people who loved to chat to me about my background and culture. And I have said it before but James Joyce is literally my literary hero!

I never quite made it through Ulysses, but congrats if you did 😆

I think a lot of this gets lost in debate. Who knows, maybe I've even met you and enjoyed your company in Dublin, and we never mentioned Palestine once 😆

Sadly I've been away for a while, but I'd go back in a heartbeat if circumstances allowed.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 19:50

Are any of those countries targeting Muslim people in another state/country?

@FrippEnos
Gaza is in Israel.

This is basic Judaiphobia.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 19:51

Gaza is NOT in Israel

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 19:52

And that is the crux of the problem!

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 19:54

@FrippEnos not from you, I mean from The Maldives. A country going to war (with a part of itself) in repsonse to an attack is a bit different to a country sending a portion of citizens based on their religion to concentration camps and sterilising them.

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 20:00

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 19:33

YOU used the simile - I merely explained that dogs are treated well in the UK and Ireland. You DO live in Ireland right? An animal loving place?

Odd to use this simile if you meant something completely the opposite. That cliche may have been true once - not anymore.

OK that's too ridiculous for words. Everything in my previous post still stands.

AhNowTed · 03/06/2024 20:11

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 19:51

Gaza is NOT in Israel

So if Gaza is not in Israel, you'd be happy for Gaza to control its own imports, exports, travel, airspace, airport, and fishing zones?

If the answer is no, you've no right to pretend that Gaza is not controlled by Israel.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:13

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 19:51

Gaza is NOT in Israel

Which country is it in?

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:14

Gaza is illegally controlled by Israel. It is not part of Israel. Never has been. Yes I would be happy for Gaza to control everything you say but as part of a Palestinian state. I say this as a Palestinian. Not an Arab. Not a Muslim. But a Palestinian who knows exactly how and why we got to this point.

TakeMe2Insanity · 03/06/2024 20:14

Scirocco · 03/06/2024 06:13

As someone who has lost loved ones in Gaza, this is an utterly horrible thing to say.

My friends and colleagues did not "volunteer" to die. Many of them were bravely working in hospitals and camps for displaced people, to try to save lives.

Their families did not "volunteer" to die. Nor did their children volunteer to be injured and scarred for life.

"Ordinary Palestinians" can't do anything to stop this. They can't "hand over Hamas" - they don't even have enough food to save their children from malnutrition, let alone the resources to stage a coup in the middle of a warzone. They can't free hostages themselves for the same reason.

It has already been made clear on multiple occasions by the Israeli government that the return of the hostages would not be sufficient to end the assault on Gaza. That nothing short of "total victory" will suffice.

If anyone started saying that the deaths of innocent Israeli citizens were "voluntary" due to the actions of a government and military over which they have no authority, that person would rightfully be condemned and corrected for saying something so horrendous about the deaths of innocent people, especially when people directly affected by loss would be able to read what was written. The same applies to innocent Palestinians and others risking their lives and dying in Gaza. The same consideration should be given to people with loved ones in Gaza as to people with loved ones in Israel.

Well said.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:15

@CakeTastesBetterAsBatter Stop goading. You know what you are saying.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:27

@BibiSuzanne what are you talking about?
What country is Gaza in?
What is all this pretended common knowledge? Just say directly what you mean.

As far as I know, Gaza is in Israel.
If you actually have a correction then state it directly and clearly don't pretend I mean something I don't or there's some big secret that we're all dancing around.

Failing to states something and going nudge nudge wink wink doesn't make a point. It just obscures it by pretending to everyone we all have some unwritten knowledge while actually failing to tell anyone anything and obscuring the problem by not stating clearly what you mean.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:31

No bloody nudge nudge wink wink going on here . It is not in Israel. It is illlegally occupied by Israel even though they claimed to have left it in 2005.
And yes you are dancing around the facts. Because the facts don't suit your rhetoric.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:31

The amount of times people make comments like "ironic" or random single words without actually stating clearly, simply and directly what they mean is a sign of how little people really want to engage in an actual conversation.

Clear, direct, simple communication and terminology is what leads to real conversations on topics rather than making half statements and vague declarations that could be taken to mean anything.

A sign of a weak argument is that someone is actually unwilling to make it.

If you have an argument or a point then it should still stand when you state it clearly and unambiguously and explain it to anyone that asks for clarification.

Mellowdramadrama · 03/06/2024 20:32

@CakeTastesBetterAsBatter Gaza, as you well know is occupied Palestinian territory.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:33

Oh she knows that very well.