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CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:35

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:31

No bloody nudge nudge wink wink going on here . It is not in Israel. It is illlegally occupied by Israel even though they claimed to have left it in 2005.
And yes you are dancing around the facts. Because the facts don't suit your rhetoric.

Again, what are you talking about? Dancing around what? I am not dancing I am asking a clear basic question.

So what is the status of Gaza?

It is not in Israel but it is also not a country?

Assuming over and over again that someone is thinking something they're not saying doesn't clarify or do anything else to edify your argument.

Just directly answering a question does.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:38

Mellowdramadrama · 03/06/2024 20:32

@CakeTastesBetterAsBatter Gaza, as you well know is occupied Palestinian territory.

What is all this rubbish about "as you well know?"

Are you incapable of letting it into your consideration that someone might not know the country status of Gaza?

Israel is a country. Gaza isn't. So it stands to reason that Gaza is in the country Israel as I thought that's where the borders were.

I mean just because my subtle knowledge of a border thousands and thousands of miles away is shakey, does that mean I'm lying?

You tell me where the borders of the people's republic of Congo are or is Taiwan a country?
Is someone asking if Taiwan is a country goading or anything else?

Have you considered that these contentious regions have definitions of where their borders are that people thousands of miles away aren't 100.% clear on?

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:39

I have answered you. Gaza is not in Israel. It is in fucking limbo because although Israel apparently left in 2005 it still controls Gaza ILLEGALLY. What part of that have you not understood? I have stated that quite clearly.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:40

I'm not discussing the Congo or Taiwan. What have they got to go with this? And no Gaza is not in Israel.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:41

And I did not say you were lying.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:41

I'm just educating you.

anotherlevel · 03/06/2024 20:45

@CakeTastesBetterAsBatter @BibiSuzanne has answered you on many occasions but you are just refusing to read it for some odd reason and preferring to argue. So I've taken the liberty of asking google on your behalf and this is what they have to say.

The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:46

Ok so Gaza is not a country is not a country and is also not in Israel.

I was simply responding to @FrippEnos who claimed that the difference between China's treatment of Uighur people and Israel attacking Gaza was that China wasn't attacking people that weren't in its country. I thought the distinction did not make the moral difference that was implied and put China in a position of moral superiority above Israel as China is explicitly being genocidal by sending its own citizens to concentration camps based on religion.

So Gaza is not in Israel. So my point that these two are both acts going on within their own country doesn't stand.

However my point does stand that China's treatment of its own people is morally reprehensible but the reason the Maldives is targeting Israel but not China, in my opinion is because of a racism against Jewish people that is more acceptable internationally than against any other group.

Countries express their condemnation against Israel more often because of what is called antisemitism which I would rebrand Judaiophobia. We need the "phobia" in the name, because it really is international hatred.

The number of protests about what is going on in Sudan, or other places where large numbers of people are being slaughtered is nowhere near as high as those where people can find Jews to blame. The reason in my opinion is racism.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:47

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CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:50

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:40

I'm not discussing the Congo or Taiwan. What have they got to go with this? And no Gaza is not in Israel.

I just mentioned this as one of several countries where probably the majority of people in the UK don't know exactly where the border lie or their precise political status like are they countries or not, and on which days after which wars or battles have these borders or definitions changed.

Just pointing out lots of places have precise definitions people don't know. Assuming everyone does and that anyone claiming they doesn't is a mistake.

CakeTastesBetterAsBatter · 03/06/2024 20:50

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You're just deliberately accusing people of being stupid because you assume something that isn't true about them.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:51

But you kept on and on and on at me when I answered you.

BibiSuzanne · 03/06/2024 20:52

And don't accuse me of calling people stupid. I did not. I said YOU were being DELIBERATELY obtuse. Deliberate implies you know what you are doing.

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 22:32

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 20:00

OK that's too ridiculous for words. Everything in my previous post still stands.

@ConnieCounter and there you go sweet talking me again.

Don't ever accuse me again of saying something I did not say or suggest.

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 22:45

keenforhelp · 03/06/2024 22:32

@ConnieCounter and there you go sweet talking me again.

Don't ever accuse me again of saying something I did not say or suggest.

I never did. You said them!

SharonEllis · 03/06/2024 22:45

PearlKoala · 02/06/2024 20:37

Me either, I would support all countries banning entry for members of the knesset, serving members of the IDF, anyone that works in military prisons/the military justice system, the 10% of Israelis that live in occupied territory and probably more if I took the time to think about it. An outright ban on everyone seems unfair though but it may be easier(and cheaper) to just impose an outright ban than a visa system.

My word, you actually thought that through and typed it out?

SharonEllis · 03/06/2024 22:53

LettuceTruss · 02/06/2024 21:05

Most Israelis have at least one other nationality. One of my friends is Swiss through her father, Austrian and Israeli through her mother, British through naturalisation, French through marriage and she has just become American through residence.

Not most. Estimates vary from 8-10% as far as I'm aware. Think about it. Many Israelis fled countries where they were persecuted. This entailed losing their citizenship.

PearlKoala · 03/06/2024 23:15

SharonEllis · 03/06/2024 22:45

My word, you actually thought that through and typed it out?

Thank you for your thorough review of my post.

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 23:35

Interesting how the rules are different based on religion.

The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
Nautiluss · 03/06/2024 23:44

Isn't it?

The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders
ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 23:47

Yes I have never seen citizenship based on religion before. Fucked up on both counts.

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 12:37

ConnieCounter · 03/06/2024 22:45

I never did. You said them!

@ConnieCounter What?

Upthread, at 16:46 yesterday, you said:
"You are being extremely unfair to those who've suffered under Israeli occupation and blockade by suggesting these atrocities didn't/don't happen. You can ignore human rights abuses if you want. But it doesn't mean they're not happening."

I did not suggest any such thing anywhere and nowhere can it be construed that I am ignoring human rights abuses.

I repeat, do not ever say anything like this to me again - that is state that I said/suggested something when I did not.

Extremely inflammatory behaviour.

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 12:59

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 12:37

@ConnieCounter What?

Upthread, at 16:46 yesterday, you said:
"You are being extremely unfair to those who've suffered under Israeli occupation and blockade by suggesting these atrocities didn't/don't happen. You can ignore human rights abuses if you want. But it doesn't mean they're not happening."

I did not suggest any such thing anywhere and nowhere can it be construed that I am ignoring human rights abuses.

I repeat, do not ever say anything like this to me again - that is state that I said/suggested something when I did not.

Extremely inflammatory behaviour.

Edited

When I said that Israel has treated Palestinians like dogs you said dogs are treated very well, thus minimising/denying decades of abuse of Palestinians.

Anyone reading what you wrote would have understood that that's what you meant, unless you want to correct the record now and say you do understand that Palestinians have endured horrendous treatment under Israeli occupation and blockade?

keenforhelp · 04/06/2024 13:23

ConnieCounter · 04/06/2024 12:59

When I said that Israel has treated Palestinians like dogs you said dogs are treated very well, thus minimising/denying decades of abuse of Palestinians.

Anyone reading what you wrote would have understood that that's what you meant, unless you want to correct the record now and say you do understand that Palestinians have endured horrendous treatment under Israeli occupation and blockade?

Yes I did say that dogs are treated well by people in the UK and Ireland.

Aren't they?

If you want to use an outdated cliche to explain your point of view, then that is your problem. Just do not dare say what I am saying is ridiculous because you do not agree with it. I won't put up with your inflammatory language.

" Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse" - that is your opinion.

Who the heck do you think you are inviting me to set a record straight and get me to agree with your opinion! Unbelievable!

I have not suggested or said that I agree with any atrocities taking place anywhere in the world nor that human rights abuses should be ignored.

Do not, I repeat, STOP putting words into my mouth or say that I am implying things.

Just stop!

BibiSuzanne · 04/06/2024 13:27

"Palestinians have suffered decades of abuse," is based on fact. It becomes an opinion when people dehumanise Palestinians.