New Hamas video of hostages

[Muthaofcats]

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

Some people protested. Some people showed no sympathy, not everybody. There are many many of us who absolutely have sympathy for Israel and understand their right to self defence but that doesn't mean we can't see how they are going about that and want an immediate end to those tactics, whilst still wanting them to be successful and remove hamas.

As I posted before, the Israeli government has questions to answer regarding what they knew about the attack and why they took so long to come to the rescue. Hamas can never be excused for what they did but Netanyahu owes the hostages and their family an explanation. Instead, he has ignored them and dismissed them. This is the reason why they have released the video.

That's got nothing to do with my post but I guess any opportunity to make sure everyone remembers to also keep blaming the Israeli government for it, right?

Censorship seems a bit pointless, like an endless game of whack-a-mole. It doesn't things go away, it just makes them less visible, which I'm not sure is a good thing. At least while everyone is free to express their views, there is an opportunity to explore and challenge them, so maybe we all get to learn something now and then.

I think the snag might lie in whilst still wanting them to be successful and remove hamas.

Look, we're all talking out of our arses here because we have no access to any of the intelligence Israel are working on. From the comfort of our cosy living-rooms, it's easy to say "Stop!" The assumption that they are just carrying out indiscriminate attacks is interesting, we wouldn't assume that about our own country if we were responding to a terrorist threat.

As I have written previously. Hamas is to blame for the attack but the Israeli government has to answer questions regarding them ignoring the warning of impending attack from the hostages and Egypt as well as their slow response to it.
The Israeli government has a duty of care to keep their citizens as safe as possible like any other government and to act swiftly when they are under attack. I know I would want to know.
The hostages and their families deserve an explanation, which Netanyahu appears to ignore. Israelis are protesting about it. Are they wrong?
Thousands of Israelis join anti-government protests | Reuters

That is a valid perspective. The reason I report it is because I am aware of the pain it can cause people on this site (because people have shared with me how upsetting it is to read such things). I cannot undo the pain of October 7th, but I can try to protect others from having to read horrible comments about it. By flagging up such comments to MN, they can then make a decision on whether it breaches Talk Guidelines or not.

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@ChickyBricky It’s not an assumption. Even the US are using the word indiscriminate attacks.

Right, so what would you call bombing tents of displaced civilians?
Mind you these are the tents they were forced to go to in supposedly safe zones.
I think it's quite clear that there is no care who gets killed along the way, how many civilians die in the bid to get one Hamas soldier. As was seen by the repeated air strikes that killed the foreign aid workers.
The IDF soldier thought he spotted a Hamas fighter with a gun so therefore killed everyone in the convoy.
It later turns out it wasn't a gun but an aid worker holding a bag, but it's clear from there how they operate.

The assumption that they are just carrying out indiscriminate attacks is interesting, we wouldn't assume that about our own country if we were responding to a terrorist threat.

You possibly wouldn't assume it about your own country but other countries are likely to if the UK was overstepping the mark. I think the word assumption is wrong though, people aren't plucking things from the sky it is based on evidence and on how many other countries are also interpreting it.

What country is carrying out attacks doesn't determine whether a pattern of attacks is indiscriminate or not. The pattern of attacks does.

I absolutely would assume it was indiscriminate if the UK was doing this. I marched and protested against the Iraq and haven't voted Labour since then.
Also, if its not indiscriminate, then it's targeted, that's even worse. That would mean Israel deliberately killed thousands of children, they knew they were there and bombed them anyway.

Yes, you're right.
It's about those young women, we should stay on point and I'm guilty of going off on tangents on this thread myself.

Me too, I'm guilty also. What's happened to these woman is disgraceful and I hope they are OK and get justice for this.

He's a profile of just one of the women. I have a daughter a similar age myself. I dread to think what she might have been though and be going through now. I swing between hoping they're alive and they'll get home, and, to my shame, hoping they died very soon after being kidnapped and are not suffering.
jewishlink.news/profile-of-karina-ariev/

they are soldiers; they were taken by their adversary

Ah, so Hamas is an adversary and thus a legitimate military target. Good to know!

They were on home soil and snatched in a cross border raid. There is no justification at all for what happened to them.

Yes, hopefully they are.
Somehow I doubt it though.

If they had just focused on hamas, the whole world would still be behind them

The whole world wasn't "behind Israel" though was it? There were anti-Israeli demonstrations straight after 7 October.

You really are doing your level best to minimise the horror that these teenage girls endured and are still enduring. All it does is make you look monstrous.

Yet I haven't heard one single palestinian denounce Hamas. Hamas have instigated this. Caused the people who they claim to represent to be killed. Yet the Palestinuans champion them. Israel are asking for the release of hostages before sitting down to peace talks. But Hamas have clearly murdered most of them already and know if they announced this, that their reputation amongst their supporters as 'freedom fighters' would disappear, and people would finally see them for what they are. Cowardly, immoral savages.