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Conflict in the Middle East

New Hamas video of hostages

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Muthaofcats · 22/05/2024 17:00

The new Hamas video released today of the female hostages selected as the ones they planned to get pregnant was so sickening and I wish I hadn’t seen it.

however, I am also wondering WHY it has not been more widely picked up and broadcast? I don’t understand the silence from the bleeding left; why don’t they see stuff like this and not just feel desperate and sick about those poor poor girls and their families who must be beyond devastated.

Watching the men in those videos helps to counter balance the idea of Israel as the aggressor. I wish more would see it and reflect or even just place those women of equal value to those in Gaza.

How is the world so perverse right now that this warrants a shrug from so many? Or worse, is viewed as justified !?

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MrsAllsorts · 24/05/2024 20:03

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 18:46

So because Hamas doesn't care and is happy to let their own civilians die Israel shouldn't either? Is this what you are saying?

Israel cannot be irradiated because it is far to powerful I point that out and you acknowlege it and instead say that it is justified because they will carry out another October? Is this correct? It's a question not a accusation.
Israel can chose to follow international law... it can stay within the rules of war to defend itself I am not against that.

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Read my post again. I am pointing out that Hamas do not want peace.

You do know that Israel have tried many times to warn civilians prior to attacks. But of course, the cowardly fascists sent no warning to Israel prior to their attacks. But is that okay because Israel are more powerful, is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation, it’s a question.

What demand are you making with regard to Hamas and their breaking of international laws? Are you in favour of Hamas obeying international laws, or is that just for Israel because they have powerful friends? Is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation just a question.

You stated “Are you basicly saying it’s fine to kill the whole population “. What a bizarre thing to say. You reveal your true colours right there! You are quick to downplay the very real threats Hamas make, ignore the fact that Israel try to warn civilians, and then you claim that it is Israel who trying to eradicate all Palestinians, because that just suits your narrative. And of course, ignoring the fact that Hamas are killing their own. Interesting. Is that because your real sympathies lie with the terrorists, is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation, it’s a question.

Whilst I feel sorry for all innocents, I really do put the blame on Hamas. Without Hamas perhaps there could be peace. They do not want peace at all, and they are responsible for the suffering of their own people.

MrsAllsorts · 24/05/2024 20:05

threeoldbicycles · 24/05/2024 19:33

@ChickyBricky "What I tend to see is people paying lip service, in passing, to the horror of the atrocities committed by Hamas, all while insisting that Israel's response is disproportionate and that the IDF are "the real terrorists."

They flood thread after thread after thread with trauma-porn images from Gaza, go into gruesome detail about the suffering of dying babies, and copy/paste comments from social media and dubious news outlets without any analysis or comment of their own, as though no one else has access to the internet and they are performing an important public broadcast service. Sometimes I can't help wondering if these are bots working in Hamas's interests, although I suppose most of it is just lazy posters bouncing around in their echo chamber."

This with gold-plated bells on ^

I suspected bots as well, especially with the plethora of posts from Quds a news outlet with links to Hamas.

MN has been asked to shut this stuff down in the interests of good taste but so far hasn't done so.

Precisely.

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 20:15

ChickyBricky · 24/05/2024 18:54

I think this is how I feel, too. I'm sure some of my posts (like the one earlier in this thread) have been deleted because I've been assumed to be Islamophobic, which is annoying. I've had a lifetime of being totally indifferent to race or religion, and my closest friend at school was Muslim. But what's happened on and since 7 October has made me feel nervous and wary, and ashamed of feeling nervous and wary, and really fucking anxious about the way things are going. On MN at least, it feels as though compassion is entirely one-directional, and that upsets me. It's also distressing that I can't express that upset without upsetting people I don't want to upset. It's beginning to feel like humanity is trapped in some kind of cruel endgame of our own making.

Of course your allowed to be upset about October, about the current threat Israel is facing, people only get upset when people try to justify the deaths of 35000 people in 6 months, people defending famine etc.
I think your correct there is alot more sympathy for Gaza citizens and that's because they have lost their homes, children some of them their entire families and are currently starving to death. They are also not hamas and are not guilty of war crimes, hamas are.

dungiven · 24/05/2024 20:30

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threeoldbicycles · 24/05/2024 20:32

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 20:15

Of course your allowed to be upset about October, about the current threat Israel is facing, people only get upset when people try to justify the deaths of 35000 people in 6 months, people defending famine etc.
I think your correct there is alot more sympathy for Gaza citizens and that's because they have lost their homes, children some of them their entire families and are currently starving to death. They are also not hamas and are not guilty of war crimes, hamas are.

Israeli citizens aren't exactly on a picnic.

Some 200,000 Israelis have been internally displaced amid escalating skirmishes on the Lebanon border in the north with terror group Hezbollah and allied Palestinian factions, according to Israeli authorities.

In the north, Hamas ally Hezbollah, also an Iranian proxy, has fired dozens of anti-tank guided missiles, rockets, and mortars at Israeli military positions and Israeli towns since the October 7 Hamas onslaught, while also sending gunmen — some affiliated with Palestinian terror groups — to infiltrate into northern Israel.

Also the Welfare Ministry said that at least 21 children in 13 families have been left with no parents after they were murdered by terrorists during the Hamas onslaught.

Auvergne63 · 24/05/2024 20:38

threeoldbicycles · 24/05/2024 20:32

Israeli citizens aren't exactly on a picnic.

Some 200,000 Israelis have been internally displaced amid escalating skirmishes on the Lebanon border in the north with terror group Hezbollah and allied Palestinian factions, according to Israeli authorities.

In the north, Hamas ally Hezbollah, also an Iranian proxy, has fired dozens of anti-tank guided missiles, rockets, and mortars at Israeli military positions and Israeli towns since the October 7 Hamas onslaught, while also sending gunmen — some affiliated with Palestinian terror groups — to infiltrate into northern Israel.

Also the Welfare Ministry said that at least 21 children in 13 families have been left with no parents after they were murdered by terrorists during the Hamas onslaught.

Would you prefer to be in Gaza now or Israel? Which one do you think if the safest place, at the moment?
I am not trying to minimise the plight of the Israeli civilians, by the way.
If I had to choose, I know which one would be top of my list and it is fair to say, your choice would be the same as mine.

ChickyBricky · 24/05/2024 20:39

@dungiven
but Zaka made up alot of stuff that didnt happen

I can't applaud you enough for this! Imagine, I'd have been sucked into that evil Hasbara if you weren't here to set the record straight.

At least I'll sleep easy tonight. Thanks so much for the reassurance!

dungiven · 24/05/2024 20:45

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Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 20:47

MrsAllsorts · 24/05/2024 20:03

Read my post again. I am pointing out that Hamas do not want peace.

You do know that Israel have tried many times to warn civilians prior to attacks. But of course, the cowardly fascists sent no warning to Israel prior to their attacks. But is that okay because Israel are more powerful, is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation, it’s a question.

What demand are you making with regard to Hamas and their breaking of international laws? Are you in favour of Hamas obeying international laws, or is that just for Israel because they have powerful friends? Is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation just a question.

You stated “Are you basicly saying it’s fine to kill the whole population “. What a bizarre thing to say. You reveal your true colours right there! You are quick to downplay the very real threats Hamas make, ignore the fact that Israel try to warn civilians, and then you claim that it is Israel who trying to eradicate all Palestinians, because that just suits your narrative. And of course, ignoring the fact that Hamas are killing their own. Interesting. Is that because your real sympathies lie with the terrorists, is that what you are saying? It’s not an accusation, it’s a question.

Whilst I feel sorry for all innocents, I really do put the blame on Hamas. Without Hamas perhaps there could be peace. They do not want peace at all, and they are responsible for the suffering of their own people.

Firstly I want to stress the "are you basicly saying its OK to kill the whole population" was a question not an accusation. I want to be clear on that, because currently that is what is happening. The population is being starved bombed and without enough water and medicine. So if you feel that this action is justified and acceptable because Hamas dont care, i wanted to ask if you were saying this is OK.

Secondly if you look at my posts you will very clearly see me say multiple times. Hamas are bad hamas are killers of guilty of genocide and should be procescuted. Its easy to blame hamas for all the crimes being committed when you have chosen a side.

I have no side and crimes are being committed by both sides at this point in my opinion.

My sympathies lie with the innocent Palestinians they are not terrorists. They also lie with the victims and families of the October atrocities

I want a ceasefire and a 2 state solution tomorrow but I'm not In charge sadly and neither are the Israeli or Palestinian people currently suffering.

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 21:04

threeoldbicycles · 24/05/2024 20:32

Israeli citizens aren't exactly on a picnic.

Some 200,000 Israelis have been internally displaced amid escalating skirmishes on the Lebanon border in the north with terror group Hezbollah and allied Palestinian factions, according to Israeli authorities.

In the north, Hamas ally Hezbollah, also an Iranian proxy, has fired dozens of anti-tank guided missiles, rockets, and mortars at Israeli military positions and Israeli towns since the October 7 Hamas onslaught, while also sending gunmen — some affiliated with Palestinian terror groups — to infiltrate into northern Israel.

Also the Welfare Ministry said that at least 21 children in 13 families have been left with no parents after they were murdered by terrorists during the Hamas onslaught.

Israel is well protected both by itself its allies though that's the difference.

I realise it's not pleasant to have to suffer like this to be displaced and forever in conflict but that is all the more reason to negotiate peace once this is over, I don't mean with Hamas they should be procescuted, but with the new leadership.

I have the utmost sympathy for every person affected by the atrocities in October.

Until the famine stops my sympathies will lie with Palestinian population the most because they are innocent and currently dieing in the thousands. This action by nethenau has been against international law, those people need food water and medicine immediately.

dungiven · 24/05/2024 21:27

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AprilPoisson · 24/05/2024 21:43

Muthaofcats · 24/05/2024 07:23

I’m not going to re watch the video; for obvious reasons. What in my description are you querying?

Sorry for my delay in replying, have just come in from work.
I am no longer querying your comments - I'm so sorry, I saw an edit/video without correct translation.
It got picked up in the mail two days ago with the majority of commenters below the line abhorring the action.
'You're so beautiful.. the girls who can get pregnant': Horrifying new footage shows Hamas fanatics taunt young Israeli women with the threat of rape and making them have their children as the hostages - one still in her Snoopy pyjamas - plead to be freed | Daily Mail Online

Horrifying new footage shows Hamas kidnappers threatening women

WARNING: Graphic content: These are the horrifying first moments in captivity for the five youngest women held in Gaza by sick Hamas fanatics since October 7.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13447359/Hamas-terrorists-taunt-young-Israeli-women-threat-rape-footage.html

keenforhelp · 24/05/2024 21:58

This thread is about a new Hamas video.

It has gone the same way as thread on the CITME board - a discussion of what Israel have done.

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 21:59

MrsAllsorts · 24/05/2024 20:05

Precisely.

Shut down free speech? Why would someone not want the true horrors being inflicted upon innocent Palestinians shown?

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:03

keenforhelp · 24/05/2024 21:58

This thread is about a new Hamas video.

It has gone the same way as thread on the CITME board - a discussion of what Israel have done.

People want it to stop that's all.... if the famine stops if refuges are let out, then we will all go back to talking about what Hamas has done.

Until then we are all to worried about millions of innocent children starving and dehydrating to death.

Humdingerydoo · 24/05/2024 22:07

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:03

People want it to stop that's all.... if the famine stops if refuges are let out, then we will all go back to talking about what Hamas has done.

Until then we are all to worried about millions of innocent children starving and dehydrating to death.

No one ever spoke about what Hamas has done. Within hours of October 7th it was all about why Hamas did what they did. Putting the blame on Israel. There were demonstrations against Israel on October 8th. So I don't buy what you're saying for even a second.

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:15

threeoldbicycles · 24/05/2024 19:33

@ChickyBricky "What I tend to see is people paying lip service, in passing, to the horror of the atrocities committed by Hamas, all while insisting that Israel's response is disproportionate and that the IDF are "the real terrorists."

They flood thread after thread after thread with trauma-porn images from Gaza, go into gruesome detail about the suffering of dying babies, and copy/paste comments from social media and dubious news outlets without any analysis or comment of their own, as though no one else has access to the internet and they are performing an important public broadcast service. Sometimes I can't help wondering if these are bots working in Hamas's interests, although I suppose most of it is just lazy posters bouncing around in their echo chamber."

This with gold-plated bells on ^

I suspected bots as well, especially with the plethora of posts from Quds a news outlet with links to Hamas.

MN has been asked to shut this stuff down in the interests of good taste but so far hasn't done so.

No one is paying lips service to anything.

Yes we think Hamas are a terrorist organisation but we also don't think innocent Palestinians should be starved to death and not let out into refugee camps, what is wrong with that?

Are we supposed to pick a side and not care about the innocent, is that what you would prefer? Us to turn a blind eye to it? Because we have chosen our side?

I want the israeli people to have a state, I also want the Palestinians to have a state. I think hamas need locking up all of them but I also think the Palestinians need urgent help and ceasefire.

ChickyBricky · 24/05/2024 22:19

Humdingerydoo · 24/05/2024 22:07

No one ever spoke about what Hamas has done. Within hours of October 7th it was all about why Hamas did what they did. Putting the blame on Israel. There were demonstrations against Israel on October 8th. So I don't buy what you're saying for even a second.

Yes, this is what has really shocked me to the core. The sheer heartlessness and indifference. Imagine the outrage if posters on MN just glibly kept saying Gaza had it coming to them. WTAF

Scirocco · 24/05/2024 22:24

ChickyBricky · 24/05/2024 22:19

Yes, this is what has really shocked me to the core. The sheer heartlessness and indifference. Imagine the outrage if posters on MN just glibly kept saying Gaza had it coming to them. WTAF

It is heartless and horrible when people say that about what happened on October 7th, just as it is when people say it about Palestine. I report it when I see it, and I hope others do the same.

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:45

Humdingerydoo · 24/05/2024 22:07

No one ever spoke about what Hamas has done. Within hours of October 7th it was all about why Hamas did what they did. Putting the blame on Israel. There were demonstrations against Israel on October 8th. So I don't buy what you're saying for even a second.

Some people did that so that's how everyone feels and what everyone wants is it?

Stereotyping and discrimination works both ways....

Humdingerydoo · 24/05/2024 23:01

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:45

Some people did that so that's how everyone feels and what everyone wants is it?

Stereotyping and discrimination works both ways....

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Where did I stereotype and discriminate? Or are you just saying random words now?

It wasn't some people, it was vast amounts of people all over the world. Please don't minimise it, it was pretty traumatising to see people celebrate on the streets of Malmö and protest against Israel on the streets of Sydney within 24 hours of the start of the massacre when no one knew what the casualty figure was, just knew it was high, and there were still Hamas terrorists inside Israel hunting for more victims.

MrsAllsorts · 24/05/2024 23:14

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 20:47

Firstly I want to stress the "are you basicly saying its OK to kill the whole population" was a question not an accusation. I want to be clear on that, because currently that is what is happening. The population is being starved bombed and without enough water and medicine. So if you feel that this action is justified and acceptable because Hamas dont care, i wanted to ask if you were saying this is OK.

Secondly if you look at my posts you will very clearly see me say multiple times. Hamas are bad hamas are killers of guilty of genocide and should be procescuted. Its easy to blame hamas for all the crimes being committed when you have chosen a side.

I have no side and crimes are being committed by both sides at this point in my opinion.

My sympathies lie with the innocent Palestinians they are not terrorists. They also lie with the victims and families of the October atrocities

I want a ceasefire and a 2 state solution tomorrow but I'm not In charge sadly and neither are the Israeli or Palestinian people currently suffering.

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No I am not saying it is okay for innocent Palestinians to suffer, do not be so utterly ridiculous. But I will not be manipulated into blaming the Israelis either, because all this suffering is ultimately on the shoulders of the Hamas savages, end of.
Israel has at least tried to warn civilians.
The Israeli military warned civilians to evacuate north Gaza and head to the south, and many heeded that call, despite Hamas calls for them to remain. Because Hamas do not care. That’s a shame but it is also true that some civilians are active Hamas supporters.

Get rid of Hamas and you get rid of the problem. How are they to be got rid of? Israel has tolerated their barbarity for years already and they just do not stop. Whilst Hamas exist, Israelis cannot rest peacefully in their beds at night. Why do they deserve this BS? And just because they are bigger, more civilised, kinder, more intelligent, respect human rights and live in a democracy, and have powerful friends, does not mean they should continue to tolerate these ongoing attacks, and the threat of more.

Here we do agree: “(Palestinians ) are not guilty of war crimes, hamas are.”

That’s right, Hamas are the ones who gladly sacrifice their own people. They have no respect for human rights, they are fascist fundamentalists who will not regard equally the rights of women, those of other religions, gay people. They are intolerant psychopaths. Human beings are human shields. I suggest we call for Hamas to do the right thing and turn themselves over instead of hiding behind innocent civilians.

I also want a ceasefire but Hamas have tended not to honour them. Just when it was looking like maybe there was hope, Oct 7th happens. Hamas. Hamas the uncivilised barbaric murderers.

I don’t wish to engage with you further on this, I have better ways to spend my time.
Thank you.

MrsAllsorts · 24/05/2024 23:19

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:45

Some people did that so that's how everyone feels and what everyone wants is it?

Stereotyping and discrimination works both ways....

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There you go, a thinly veiled attempt at minimising the experience for Israel. I suggest you write on your forehead in permanent ink “Hamas are the murdering guilty terrorists” so you see it every day in the mirror.

Good bye.

keenforhelp · 25/05/2024 00:01

Mummy2024 · 24/05/2024 22:03

People want it to stop that's all.... if the famine stops if refuges are let out, then we will all go back to talking about what Hamas has done.

Until then we are all to worried about millions of innocent children starving and dehydrating to death.

WE WE WE.

It's like you think the Pro-Palestinians are all one homogenous body, one giant echo chamber, and you all speak for each other.