The road to peace for those in Gaza

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Eradicate Hamas from Gaza
Release all Israeli hostages taken on Oct 7th
Remove settlers from the West Bank
Remove the Israeil PM

Result =

Peace for the ordinary people of Gaza and the people of Israel = both sides win

Trust me, once the money starts to pour into Gaza again as it has done and the money was used/wasted by Hamas/etc - Gaza will be a place that people will want to go for their hols. Very quickly, the people of both Gaza and Israel will become comfortable with the other. However, there will be forces that do not want the two sides to live in peace,

Look at NI - it was the disbanding of the IRA and the other outfits that resulted in relative peace for the ordinary people of NI and those in England. Yes, there are still some on both sides who want to see problems but thankfully, the majority of people see the benefits of peace

Disband the Israel offence Force.

I don't think this is a recent development and there has always been anti semitism below the surface , it's just recent events have encouraged it to be expressed more openly.

Hopefully, the change in sentiment will feed through to US politics.

You can remove Hamas as an organisation but aother will eventually spring up in their place. When you oppress a group of people they will only take it for oso long before they eventually turn to violence. Throughout human history there are numerous examples of this.

I don't think openly expressing anti semetic views is going to be a vote winner in the US elections.

Aside from being morally repugnant of course.

Or until they realise that a military or violent based approach will not succeed leading to a negotiated political approach. Which is exactly what happened with the IRA.

Ironically Brexit has done more for the cause of a United Ireland than 30 years of violence ever did.

I don't think so.

There are anti Jewish people with loud voices on marches, but they really don't speak for everyone. Just as Netanyahu does not speak for all Jewish people.

I think there is a lot of quiet sympathy from other people in the UK, who have more qualified opinions, who were appalled by October 7th as well as concerned by what unfolded after. But these people, with more moderate views, are not marching and shouting about it, by and large.

The UK poll figures are, https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49366-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-may-2024-update

31% "don't know" which side they support more
23% support both sides equally
16% support the Israelis more
only 29% say they support the Palestinians more.

This is simply not true. Israel is not hated world wide. Although living in a social media bubble that might make you feel as if that is the case .

Absolutely agree

Its not hated, but theres definitely been lots come out that people might not have realised about before and a whole lot of people are shocked at the casual violence and worse meted out to the Palestinian people over the years, whether its in the west bank or gaza.

Basically the lids been lifted and people cant unsee what israel has been doing for years.

Thanks for this

Also agree with

This is simply not true. Israel is not hated world wide. Although living in a social media bubble that might make you feel as if that is the case

True but not in Gaza as the ordinary people have experienced first hand the lies of Hamas, then Hamas killing, running out of town the opposition and then inflicting this on the ordinary people of gaza - the people are also more aware of the 30 odd Hams leaders living it up and their families in UAE etc

Just like NI - even those that were easily led by older fantics they often stay in the background as its safer, these fanatics turned to peace and when peace happens after a war, more people want that

Note all recent wars, those that want them, create them are hundreds of miles away from the front line - its always the ordinary people suffering

At times and even in recent times, people are killed on ones own side in a false flag attack in order to get the locals behind them

As they say, the first casualty of war is the truth

and then inflicting this on the ordinary people of gaza
Israel are inflicting this on Gaza. They could stop at any time. As you said the first casualty of war is the truth

This statement just isn't based in fact, no matter how much you want it to be true. Yes, some vocal people hate Israel, but they always did. I would say most people are indifferent or actually support them.

You might not realise it, but tons of people have donated their time and money to Israel since October 7. I know people who have gone there to volunteer. I know of a literal billionaire who went to help harvest oranges as the workers were killed by Hamas. They don't talk about it publicly because the current climate and rise in anti semitism means they might be in physical danger if they do, but rest assured that many people still support Israel and want to ensure it's continued existence. If that bothers you might want to ask yourself why that is

TomeTome Israel can't 'stop this any time.' Hamas will just regroup, rearm and keep attacking Israel. Hamas couldn't give a f$$k about Gazan civilians, or anyone else who doesn't share their warped beliefs.

@blackcherryconserve
A ground offensive on Raffah won’t eliminate Hamas. Hamas no longer has the capacity to launch 7/10 style attacks in Israel. The Raffah offensive is just ethnic cleansing. The key Hamas leaders are not there

'The key Hamas leaders are not there' And you know this how? Or have they somehow managed to escape, cowards that they are, and leave the Gazans to face the IDF alone?

Also if you think that Hamas at the earliest opportunity won't rearm and carry out further attacks on Israel you are very blinkered indeed.

So is your position that Israel should continue killing babies to protect themselves from a possible attack from whatever is left of Palestine if they regroup?

@blackcherryconserve
Well if the Israeli intelligence were that great they would have knocked them out by now without killing 35,000 people . Of course many suspect that the intention was to ethnically cleanse Gaza anyway.
The US intelligence says that the Hamas leadership is not under Raffah. They think they’re still under Khan Younis, and never left. Regardless ,the Americans are satisfied that Hamas is no longer has the organisational capability to launch further attacks like 7/10.
Everyone agrees that Hamas will reconstitute because the ideology has been reinforced by Israeli actions. This has been observed at Al Shifa. There are reports that the administration has reformed in parts of Gaza where the IDF has withdrawn and that they are starting to collect the rubbish and holding court sessions Even sources close to Netanyahu have admitted to the US that he thinks it take 10 years of war to reduce Hamas to the point he wants.

Israel's response has been completely disproportionate. It would be like if your neighbour punched you in the face and in response you kill everyone in their family and all their relatives.

The conflict has been like that for decades. Israel sends in tanks and the other side throw rocks at hem. The Palestininians launch some homemade rockets, Israel uses fighter jets to bomb something. And as with numerous conflicts in history, the side with the military superiority expects the other side to stop because they cannot win. But humans don't work like that and so the violence continues.

I agree with what you say about Hamas, despite this, there is no excuse for what Israel is doing in Gaza.

Agree, 100%

Hamas leaders and their right hand lot need to be taken out, others will fall in-line soon

Like NI - once people have tasted peace, they will build on it

Like any country run by gangs/dictators, the majority of people suffer

As I said before - a couple of brave Gazain women spoke on tv against Hamas stating - she had 5/7 boys none had jobs but the Hamas official and their families and friends drove around in big cars and nice houses while her boys not one of them could get a job -

This is how corrupt Hamas is but no different to most that lead any nation inc those that call themselves "democratic" IMO. Corruption is on different levels, in England it is hidden - just look at recent news events in uk

100%

Heartened to see people reach for peace while suffering great losses.

I believe these sorts of efforts have an important role to play in the road to peace. Along with an end to the blood shed, equal rights, a two state solution, recognition of those who have been wronged, accountability for those who have wronged, and actions to repair as much as possible the damage that has been done.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/21/peace-reconciliation-dialogue-activism-middle-east-7-october-gaza-israel-palestinians-west-bank