The road to peace for those in Gaza

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

Eradicate Hamas from Gaza
Release all Israeli hostages taken on Oct 7th
Remove settlers from the West Bank
Remove the Israeil PM

Result =

Peace for the ordinary people of Gaza and the people of Israel = both sides win

Trust me, once the money starts to pour into Gaza again as it has done and the money was used/wasted by Hamas/etc - Gaza will be a place that people will want to go for their hols. Very quickly, the people of both Gaza and Israel will become comfortable with the other. However, there will be forces that do not want the two sides to live in peace,

Look at NI - it was the disbanding of the IRA and the other outfits that resulted in relative peace for the ordinary people of NI and those in England. Yes, there are still some on both sides who want to see problems but thankfully, the majority of people see the benefits of peace

Bravely said.

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

Just going to pick up on an initial point you made. Semantics maybe but here we go

"it was the disbanding of the IRA"

That's not really what happened. The IRA was not disbanded. It was in fact the IRA that entered into (initially secret) talks with the British government. Starting with the Thatcher administration, through Major (mostly), then Blair.

The point I'm making, and I think this is relevant.. it was the IRA leadership that saw the only way forward was through diplomacy and political power.

And then dragged the rest of them kicking and screaming, with the ensuing internal fighting as you would expect.

Point being, none of it would have come about without the British government negotiating with terrorists.

The Northern Ireland settlement was linked to important structural changes- demilitarisation with the British Army withdrawal and an end to checkpoints, replacement of the policing system, electoral reform so that both sides had agency, actions to ensure equality of opportunity and parity of esteem for both communities. Dual nationality for those who wanted, freedom of movement to both Britain and Ireland was retained.

How far along this type of road will Israel go? Not far based on its past performance. Hamas have been a mere expensive nuisance up until now, with actual terrorism related deaths only a fraction of road deaths annually. The average Israeli is content to be protected by the US funded iron dome while the Palestinians are treated as disposable, with nearly 7000 killed from 2007 to Oct 2023.

Israel wants revenge more than it wants peace and it is using the Palestinians of Gaza to tell Iran to back off.

Point being, none of it would have come about without the British government negotiating with terrorists.
And key people such as Mo Mowlan and John Hume

Hamas have been a mere expensive nuisance up until now, with actual terrorism related deaths only a fraction of road deaths annually

Are you including the October 7th Hamas attacks in this?

If so we have road deaths, would the barbarity of the 7th Oct be a mere nuisance to you?

No - I don't "disapprove" the action by Israel as the cowards aka Hamas left Israel no choice

I blame the israeil leader for not being aware of the attacks and allowing more settlers into the West Bank

For the sake of clarity, I BLAME HAMAS for the plight it has brought on Israel and people of Gaza

If you don’t think Netanyahu and his bunch of merry men have had any part in the destruction of Gaza, why are you so eager for them to go?

@Dulra

"Point being, none of it would have come about without the British government negotiating with terrorists.
And key people such as Mo Mowlan and John Hume"

Totally agree.

No - I don't "disapprove" the action by Israel as the cowards aka Hamas left Israel no choice. Of course Isreal had and have a choice. Every soldier has a choice. How can you defend the ongoing slaughter of innocent children?

Hamas has to relinquish it's hold over Gaza before there can be any hope of a peaceful settlement. A general election needs to happen in Israel as soon as the fighting ends.

@Dulra

And I suppose the real point is, successive British governments said publicly they would "never" negotiate with terrorists.

Private they did. For years.

And unpalatable as they may have been to the British public, that's what it took to secure peace.

Hamas has to relinquish it's hold over Gaza before there can be any hope of a peaceful settlement. @blackcherryconserve

Who are we to decide who governs Gaza?
Surely that is up to any Gazans that may be left.

Friend, you need to put that question to the Hamas leaders in the 7 star hotels, ok!!

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator I’d put it to every participant in the atrocity. It takes immense self control to stop and decide “I won’t do this”.

Maybe the land should be handed to an independent state (yes all of it) governed by the UN until both sides can be trusted to get along

That's the worst suggestion I've ever heard. Israel is a democratic country, and you want them to give up their sovereignty to the UN?!

Disagree
It was Hamas fools that were fooled by their puppet master as Israel was close to signing a friendship treaty, hence the attack

As I said, of groups, political parties, terrorist orgs, the masters steer well clear of the wars/action

I agree OP

I think it only happens when both sides can say “we killed your people, you killed ours, I will probably never forgive you but I’m willing to no longer raise a hand against you so that neither us have to live in fear” and accept that neither side will get everything they want.

Reality is Israel can vote in a sensible government but they will have to negotiate with Hamas. They may eventually be willing to do that but Hamas are fundamentally opposed to a two state solution. Even if all they get is borders drawn at least the Palestinians can focus on their own internal affairs (who governs them, what sort of country they want to be) and the Israelis can basically wash their hands of all of this and just say “step over my border at your own peril”. And Palestinians don’t have to worry about some batshit west banker setting fire to their house.

It’s utterly depressing really.

”to October 2023” would normally mean up to and including the 30 September 2030 . I would have said “ until the end of October if that was what I meant”.

Government policies try to address all types of avoidable deaths- road traffic accidents, farm and industrial accidents, medical misadventures etc

Israel has not made peace a priority policy. To the contrary, its policy to deal with its terrorist problem is to encourage the conditions that favour terrorism and then collectively punishing the ethnic group from which the terrorists emerge. Until 7/10 this was the equilibrium which had prevailed for years.

The attacks of 7/10 were unprecedented and occurred against a backdrop of multi-level intelligence and defence failures. It is highly unlikely that Hamas could ever stage a repeat, even prior to this war. These attacks cannot be condoned and were abhorrent . The 7/10 deaths are not being treated as a nuisance by the Israeli government but are being used as casus belli to functionally depopulate Gaza, keep Netanyahu in power and cozy up to his coalition partners who want to resettle Gaza.

What are your thoughts about Palestinian deaths?

Where are the 7 star hotels in Gaza because that is where Israel seem to be bombing the shit out of to kill the leadership.
All they are doing at the moment is creating another generation of Hamas, every angry little child who has lost everything will easily be indoctrinated into extremist movements that promise them revenge .

So I don't think peace is in the near future the longer the bombardment lasts.

Where are the 7 star hotels in Gaza because that is where Israel seem to be bombing the shit out of to kill the leadership.

They're in Doha.

If only OP

You are joking?? Hams laders the real leaders IE those that pull the strings of Hams in Gaza ARE NOT IN GAZA - fact

You asked, I help - see below

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury-lives-in-qatar/

Does anyone disagree with the above and believe its fiction?? There is a lot more, trust me.

Release 10,000 Palestinian hostages.