Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

If you want to make sure we understand your point, if you actually want to be clear, maybe it would be easier if you just provided a few examples of what you mean? Or else it just comes across a bit like you yourself were trying for a "gotcha" moment.

You chose a bad time to try to scold us for how we have been talking, bearing in mind we were at the time dealing with directly offensive and antisemitic comments.

We all set our own standards. For me, the gross distortion of the truth about hamas for which you still have not apologised fell well below mine. Quite appalling and I make no apology for making my feelings plain.

Nelson Mandela was not in any comparable to Hamas and I very much hope you are not suggesting otherwise.
clarification on this point would be welcome.

@Marjoriefrobisher

See my post earlier...

That wasn't the point I was making at all. I wasn't referring to Hamas.

Simply pointing out that simplistic terms of good guys and bad guys are totally inadequate.

Mandela and the ANC took up arms and bombs and as far as the west was concerned were terrorists. That's a fact. Did that make the apartheid South African government the good guys. No.

1. you've blatantly misunderstood my post.
2. you've been incredibly aggressive and rude. Neither of those things are conducive to getting an apology.

I’m sorry, I’m confused. In what way are Hamas not bad guys?

Carping for the sake of it. Nitpicking while ignoring the substance of the post. Just to score points.

Isn't that just the nature of social media, though: when others express views we don't share, it's easy to think they're saying nothing of value / missing the point / just being irritating...?

When you say
I am referring to a current of what I consider to be disingenuous posts long before that particular poster came along
I'd assume you were referring to the veritable slew of Hamas apologism that got wheeled out on here last night, but presumably you have something else in mind.

@Marjoriefrobisher

"I’m sorry, I’m confused. In what way are Hamas not bad guys?"

I never said they weren't.

No, I did not. Many other posters understood you and were similarly shocked. Go back and have a look and jog your memory.
i have certainly not been aggressive. As for rudeness, what you posted merited scorn and it received it, and not only from me. If that’s unpleasant for you well, you know what to do in future.
and just a bit of advice about apologies - they are merited when we do something wrong. Your opinion of whether the people you owe the apology too are worthy in your eyes is neither here nor there.

So what’s the Mandela stuff about then?? Bizarre

I’m sorry, I’m confused. In what way are Hamas not bad guys?

I think, and apologies @AhNowTed if I'm wrong, but they meant* if Hamas are the bad guys does it mean Netanyahu are the good guys which isn't accurate. So the whole good guys/ bad guys analogy doesn't work.*

Don't be sorry or confused just follow the discussion without jumping on sentences and taking them out of context

Of course.

The original poster said that hamas were not the good guys. Given she isn’t (thank god) trying to suggest they are I’m not sure what the Mandela stuff brought to the party, I’m afraid.

Many other posters understood you and were similarly shocked
If they were shocked they clearly did not understand the point the poster was trying to make because there was nothing shocking about it. People have a habit of jumping in too quickly with both feet

I’m not sure what the Mandela stuff brought to the party, I’m afraid.

Let it pass so, you don't understand her point you don't need to, it was in no way offensive move on.

Well obviously not. We can read a post

As I hope I have already made clear, I find distortion and dishonesty contemptible. I draw some comfort from the fact that you feel you have to pretend that what was said wasn’t said. Beyond that I prefer not to engage with you. Bye now.

I called you out for your rude and aggressive posting style yesterday and you even responded to it, so don’t pretend to be surprised. This whole discussion would be much nicer and more productive if people could just stop the sniping and point scoring.

It’s heartening that they feel they have to pretend it didn’t happen but otherwise it’s not worthy of anyone’s attention. Just my tuppenceworth anyway.

Frustrating to see but I know they’ll be zero reflection

As I have said I’m quite happy to own up to rudeness. Unrepentant distortion merits it. As for “aggression”, I can only suggest you buy a dictionary.

But your own posts are rather aggressive!, like this one!

I do think offence, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I thought Marjorie dealt succinctly with some outrageous claims.

@Dulra

You understand my point exactly.

I think it’s more passive aggressive myself. “How much nicer the world would be if I was allowed to be as unpleasant as I like and no one challenged me.” Dream on love, this is mumsnet

Thought so, it was very clear and easily understood