Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

Well yes it’s a bit we don’t want posts remarked upon if they are off

And anyone who does is aggressive

just a bit of advice about apologies - they are merited when we do something wrong
If you care about someone's opinion of you. If someone is rude and dismissive to you, then they never "merit an apology".

But it wasn't at all clear, or at least not if you ascribe the meaning to it that you now claim.

A PP remarked on Palestine's long and "colourful" history of terrorism, to which another PP said "they are not the good guys." This is what prompted the comment about Mandela.

In that context, surely, mentioning Mandela conveys something along the lines of definitions of terrorism being fluid, influenced by historical context and culture.

That has nothing at all to do with saying "Israel aren't the good guys, either."

And when referring to Hamas, it is kind of hard to stomach.

Leaving aside the fact that I was far from the only person offended by the disinformation you posted, as you are well aware, the suggestion that a wrongdoer should only apologise if and when they judge the object of it to be in their eyes worthwhile suggests a slightly shaky ethical framework on your side….

To put it more simply for you; posting disinformation about a serious conflict is wrong. No matter how unworthy you arrogantly judge those you are addressing to be.

I'm not sure you understand what merits the apology. It's not an apology to Marjorie. It's holding your hand up to spreading dangerous false information.

I see I cross-posted with Marjorie! 🙂

i think she knows that, actually. Just can’t quite humble herself enough to do it. Shame.

Except I haven't "spread dangerous false misinformation". And as a8 said upthread I have no desire to discuss with people who can only see one side of a debate.
Much less people who self appoint themselves arbiters of "the truth" and demand apologies whilst being rude and making no effort to see others POV.

Good advice.
It's much easier to discuss if there isn't endless focus on "right"/"wrong". These are human issues with different interpretation dependent on your perspective.

These are human issues with different interpretation dependent on your perspective seems to confirm what you were really saying by making the comparison with Mandela - that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter...? Presumably you're not implying that in the fullness of time, Hamas will justly be celebrated for reversing Israel's so-called "apartheid."

I didn't make any comparison with Mandela

It was perfectly obvious what the poster was saying

Sorry! I've obviously gone completely mad!!

From what I can gather Mandela was used as an example to show that there are grey areas in life and that the world isn’t split into good and bad people.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone actually equate Hamas with Mandela.

I don’t see what this has to do with admitting refugees.

No worries! It's easy to get confused about who posted what on fast moving threads like this!

According to FT, support for Hamas in Gaza down from 38% pre 7 October to 34% in March per @PSR Palestine polling.

"They [Hamas] should have restricted themselves to military targets," one Gazan tells the FT.

https://www.ft.com/content/c529a37b-abfe-4532-af97-21475048b9c9

Further to above, archived FT link - https://archive.ph/WZFFM

Thank you, that is interesting.

The polling it's based on is the same one I linked to. The polling is hard to interpret, as there are several questions on Hamas support, some of which have moved in different directions. (Plus the methodological difficulties of course).

It's encouraging that the head of the polling centre's take is that Hamas support has declined in Gaza.

Hamas is the local government, so supporting it is not straightforwardly support for terrorism (much will be, but it's complicated).

Taken as a whole across all the data I think there is a lot to be worried about, when considering risk to the UK. In particular the support for the October attacks, and the support for armed resistance as the preferred method of resolving the situation.

Taken as a whole across all the data I think there is a lot to be worried about, when considering risk to the UK. In particular the support for the October attacks, and the support for armed resistance as the preferred method of resolving the situation.
Risk to the UK of what? taking in refugees? What percentage of refugees fleeing conflict in the past have taken their conflict with them and carried it out on the streets of the UK? There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that the UK will be asked to house Palestinian refugees so I am unsure why people are even considering any risk to the UK and if the UK for were asked to take in refugees it is highly unlikely they would be a risk to anyone. They would come as programme refugees as a group housed together and would go back to Palestine as soon as it was safe.

Why is no right to return cited for Egypt in pp and not the U.K.?

I don't understand what pp is?

A previous post said Egypt could not take refugees as there would be no right to return

I’m wondering why people view U.K. differently on this

As I said it is highly unlikely any of this would happen so I am still confused why we have a whole thread on a pretty fictitious scenario. I am just responding with how other programme refugees were dealt with but I never expect any of this to happen for Palestinians

”I never expect any of this to happen for Palestinians”
Is that because you don’t think they would ever want or need to leave Gaza?
Im just thinking about the thousands of homeless and traumatised Gazans. When this war is over (soon I hope🙏) There will be a huge need for international support to help them to rebuild Gaza. There are a lot of challenges ahead.
( Edited to add - I also am unclear about the “right to return “ point. Why aren’t Egypt allowing Palestinians refugees into Egypt)