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Conflict in the Middle East

Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 16:55

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 11:14

Wait, what? I'm not allowed to question a Jew? Are you trying to imply I'm anti-Semitic? Do you often threaten people who disagree with you?

Once again someone who does NOT read the reply properly. How is anyone supposed to take your opinions seriously when you lack basic comprehension of a simple sentence.

I was making the point that IF I WAS A ZIONIST I would now be calling you anti-semetic for daring to question me. That is the first line of defence. As a Jew I find this actually incredibly damaging to the real anti-semetism we suffer.

Being anti-Zionist does NOT equal anti-semetic, but Zionists / Israelis and their supporters want you to believe it does.

I notice you failed to acknowledge the rest of my comment because it goes against the agenda you are trying to push. Another poster who's views probably come from Islamaphobia, which is just as bad as Anti-semetism. Shame on you too.

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:00

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Define "TRUE Jew"?

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:02

EllaDisenchanted · 19/05/2024 11:50

In the words of the what now??

Please can you give me the source, because I am also Orthodox (ffb, בית יעקב educated, went to Israel Sem), and this one is new on me 🤔

Midrash. My phone autocorrected and I failed to realise. I assume you know what that is in relation to Talmud.

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:07

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:00

Define "TRUE Jew"?

I'm not your teacher, research it for yourself. Research why the very existence of Israel goes against everything that it means to be Jewish. Plenty of us have spoken up, plenty of us have been forced to voiced our opinion and quite frankly we're tired of having to do so when we're assumed to be supporters of a genocide and recieve anti-semetic comments based on it.

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:23

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:07

I'm not your teacher, research it for yourself. Research why the very existence of Israel goes against everything that it means to be Jewish. Plenty of us have spoken up, plenty of us have been forced to voiced our opinion and quite frankly we're tired of having to do so when we're assumed to be supporters of a genocide and recieve anti-semetic comments based on it.

How on earth am I supposed to research an offensive comment that you made? The only person that can answer that is you, which is why I am asking YOU to explain what YOU meant?

EllaDisenchanted · 19/05/2024 17:23

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:02

Midrash. My phone autocorrected and I failed to realise. I assume you know what that is in relation to Talmud.

Yes I know what the Midrash is. I asked for your source.

Your בין אדם לחברו leaves an awful lot to be desired. “True Jew?” What sort of nonsense is that?

what time did Shabbat go out for you, that you were posting at 530 yesterday?

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:40

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 16:55

Once again someone who does NOT read the reply properly. How is anyone supposed to take your opinions seriously when you lack basic comprehension of a simple sentence.

I was making the point that IF I WAS A ZIONIST I would now be calling you anti-semetic for daring to question me. That is the first line of defence. As a Jew I find this actually incredibly damaging to the real anti-semetism we suffer.

Being anti-Zionist does NOT equal anti-semetic, but Zionists / Israelis and their supporters want you to believe it does.

I notice you failed to acknowledge the rest of my comment because it goes against the agenda you are trying to push. Another poster who's views probably come from Islamaphobia, which is just as bad as Anti-semetism. Shame on you too.

Are you just trying to be as offensive as possible or something? Your previous posts were all incredibly garbled, as evidenced by the fact that more than one person apparently misunderstood what you were trying to say.

I find your tone and your seeming insistence that only your beliefs and your point of view is
the valid one incredibly insulting. It's sheer arrogance.

I am not sure why you feel the need to put words in people's mouths or why you feel the need to make assumptions about people, but maybe you should stop it? I'm not Islamophobic or antisemitic. I haven't said anything Islamophobic at any point in this thread or other threads. In fact, at one point on this thread I was telling someone else to stop making assumptions about what Muslims would think about something. I've also spoken up for possible refugees from Gaza by saying that I think they should have some say in where they go if they decide to leave. Literally nothing I've said on here or elsewhere has been Islamophobic.

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:41

Oh and I failed to acknowledge the rest of your comment because I have no fucking clue what you were actually trying to say.

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:41

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:23

How on earth am I supposed to research an offensive comment that you made? The only person that can answer that is you, which is why I am asking YOU to explain what YOU meant?

It's not an offensive comment. That just shows your ignorance 🙄 it's quite EASY to research, a quick Google would suffice but I suppose that's too hard for you is it?

Plenty of Jews have spoken out in support of Palestine, plenty of Jews have spoken out about being anti-Zionist/Israel. Maybe start with Yisroel Dovid Weiss a Jewish Rabbi who is very outspoken about these things. He explains perfectly why the existence of Israel is antithetical to Judaism.

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:45

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:41

It's not an offensive comment. That just shows your ignorance 🙄 it's quite EASY to research, a quick Google would suffice but I suppose that's too hard for you is it?

Plenty of Jews have spoken out in support of Palestine, plenty of Jews have spoken out about being anti-Zionist/Israel. Maybe start with Yisroel Dovid Weiss a Jewish Rabbi who is very outspoken about these things. He explains perfectly why the existence of Israel is antithetical to Judaism.

Everything you've said has been offensive. What is your opinion of Jews who don't agree with your view of Israel?

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:47

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:41

It's not an offensive comment. That just shows your ignorance 🙄 it's quite EASY to research, a quick Google would suffice but I suppose that's too hard for you is it?

Plenty of Jews have spoken out in support of Palestine, plenty of Jews have spoken out about being anti-Zionist/Israel. Maybe start with Yisroel Dovid Weiss a Jewish Rabbi who is very outspoken about these things. He explains perfectly why the existence of Israel is antithetical to Judaism.

You literally said, Jews that believe in "Zionism" (that means Israel's right to exist and a belief in a homeland for Jews btw) are not, and I quote, "TRUE Jews". Which means a large majority of Jews worldwide, including me. So yes, your being utterly offensive (at best).

I also don't know any Jewish people that spell antisemitic as "anti-semetic", like you (hyphen and spelling). I mean, I'm sure you'll blame it on phone autocorrect again. But given how angry you sound, I would imagine you type that word out rather a lot, so why would your phone repeatedly express 'antisemitic' like that. If you're Jewish.

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:47

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25milesfromhome · 19/05/2024 17:49

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:41

It's not an offensive comment. That just shows your ignorance 🙄 it's quite EASY to research, a quick Google would suffice but I suppose that's too hard for you is it?

Plenty of Jews have spoken out in support of Palestine, plenty of Jews have spoken out about being anti-Zionist/Israel. Maybe start with Yisroel Dovid Weiss a Jewish Rabbi who is very outspoken about these things. He explains perfectly why the existence of Israel is antithetical to Judaism.

Yisroel Dovid Weiss a Jewish Rabbi

A Jewish Rabbi you say? Is there any other kind of Rabbi?

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:51

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Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:52

Do we report this insanity or do we leave it for others to see it?

Limesodaagain · 19/05/2024 17:53

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Something has obviously made you very angry but I don’t think you’re doing yourself any favours as you’re coming across as irrational and offensive.

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:54

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How am I pretending to be Jewish? 😂 Do you realise how ridiculous (and antisemitic) you sound?

You're either from the neturei karta or not Jewish - which is it?

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:55

@Humdingerydoo Let it stand I say.

EllaDisenchanted · 19/05/2024 17:57

ButtonxMoon · 19/05/2024 17:41

It's not an offensive comment. That just shows your ignorance 🙄 it's quite EASY to research, a quick Google would suffice but I suppose that's too hard for you is it?

Plenty of Jews have spoken out in support of Palestine, plenty of Jews have spoken out about being anti-Zionist/Israel. Maybe start with Yisroel Dovid Weiss a Jewish Rabbi who is very outspoken about these things. He explains perfectly why the existence of Israel is antithetical to Judaism.

Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spokesperson for the Neturei Karta? That Yisroel Dovid Weiss? You agree with his views?

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:57

Hélène79 · 19/05/2024 17:55

@Humdingerydoo Let it stand I say.

Ahh someone else seems to have already reported at least one of the more outrageous comments. Oh well!

EllaDisenchanted · 19/05/2024 18:05

I’m sorry I can’t take this seriously. You are quoting neturei karta while writing on the internet, you’ve yet to give me a proper source for your outlandish claims yesterday, and you’re using words like True Jew which is completely antithetical to Torah values and severely convenes commandments בין אדם לחברו . And you were potentially being mechallel shabbos yesterday. 🤷‍♀️

ChickyBricky · 19/05/2024 18:05

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:52

Do we report this insanity or do we leave it for others to see it?

It's much too funny to delete, it would be mean not to let others enjoy it too. 😉

AhNowTed · 19/05/2024 18:07

It's about as funny as other posters hanging round this thread just waiting to insult and goad while offering zero of substance themselves.

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 18:09

AhNowTed · 19/05/2024 18:07

It's about as funny as other posters hanging round this thread just waiting to insult and goad while offering zero of substance themselves.

Can we not just agree that the poster was incredibly offensive? They haven't done anything to further the cause you support but has instead come on here to tell other Jews their beliefs and religious beliefs are wrong. That we're Jewing it wrong 🙃

25milesfromhome · 19/05/2024 18:10

Humdingerydoo · 19/05/2024 17:52

Do we report this insanity or do we leave it for others to see it?

Leave it in all its epic batshittery.

The existence of Israel is indeed antithetical to the Neturei Karta, fringe extremist cult, so I guess TRUE Jewish Rabbi Yisrael David Weiss's perfect explanation deserves an outing at least once in a while, although recommending his views as a starting point on anti-Zionism might be taking it a little bit too far.