Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

You guys keep believing what you want and trusting terrorists,

That is quite a throwaway insulting comment that you have failed to prove. No one on here trusts terrorists and it is pretty cruel and insulting to Palestinians to suggest that the only reason people could possibly care about their fate is because we believe the rhetoric of terrorists. Some of us just care, we have no alterior motive we just don't want any more innocent civilians, many of which are children to die, to starve to suffer.

It means that I have read, and responded to, your other posts on this thread and many of them have been awful and purely anti-Israel. But you know this, because we have already discussed it. So maybe just look back through your previous posts and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I haven't failed to prove it. You've just failed to look at my examples. They'd be the same ones as how Hamas manipulate data and events.

I also never said anything about the only reason people care about Palestinians is because of what terrorists are saying. Literally never said or insinuated anything of the sort in my life.

I haven't failed to prove it. You've just failed to look at my examples. They'd be the same ones as how Hamas manipulate data and events.

I haven't failed to look at your examples. I have responded and explained why I don't believe you, they're not facts they're opinion. That's not proof of anything. You believe one thing I believe another

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22278037

We could think of taking refugees from here? Seems a bit grim in China.

However there is no call because it doesn't involve Israel and a lot of humanitarians only seem to care about Muslims from the middle East. Where is the China hate.....don't see many boycotts of Chinese goods personally.

Forced sterilisation but no amalgamation of the Chinese flag with swastikas?? Weird.

Ah but there are disingenuous liberals who want Palestinian refugees because it's our fault. In 1948 Britain was involved in the formation of the state of Israel as a major colonial power and we have to feel that colonised guilt and pay amends?

You’re entitled to your opinion, but when people behave in the disgraceful, dishonest, offensive fashion they have on this thread, I think contempt is the appropriate response. If that bothers you more than the appalling dishonesty I’ve responded to, I can only suggest you need to look to yourself.

Classic of the genre. The good news are the ones who agree with me. Twas ever thus

Jews not news

If I can go back to the poll … I was at first really shocked by the support for Hamas . But thinking about it - polling people in the middle of a war is going to get extreme results. War makes people club together even more fiercely with their own “side”. It doesn’t necessarily mean most Palestinians are terrorist sympathisers- it just means Hamas is all they’ve got .

Yes @Limesodaagain , I imagine at the height of the Troubles a poll in Belfast would have shown a lot of support for paramilitaries on both sides. A few days ago it was the anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings which killed 33 people , for example. Support for the IRA surged in the aftermath, albeit temporarily.

Incidentally , many northern Irish people migrated to England back then. No doubt some of them would have been traumatised and have ambivalent feelings about the UK. But they were able to draw a distinction between the government and the people. As one does in any country?

No. It's not the UK's responsibility to become the make-a-wish foundation for every conflict-prone society on the planet. And there is a reason why countries like Egypt don't want the Palestinians; it's largely because the Palestinians have a track record of causing trouble in every country they've been admitted to.

I can't stand the Telegraph, but for once they have a point.

polling people in the middle of a war is going to get extreme results.

Yes, but "in the middle of a war" is the timing when they are going to be arriving in the UK. Looking at the febrile atmosphere I'm seeing on the left in the UK (university campuses etc.) I see no reason to believe that the Palestinians attitudes are going to shift once they are on British soil.

Hamas are a response to the situation that was created by Israel and the west. The violence predates Hamas
All the millions of angry Muslims that already live here are watching what's actually happening in Gaza and its horrific. What do you plan to do with them? Or the govethat sounds 8 million a day on people not from war zones but will leave families starvingand dying in war zones that it provides the weapons for?

@user1477391263

I agree.

I think one thing we don't see in the news is the level of hatred that Palestinians regard Israel and their sponsors the UK and US. Importing people who have reason to dislike the UK is simply a bad idea. We also have to view the security of Jewish people I the UK as paramount as many would see Jews as an easy target.

I think it extremely foolish to think Palestinians are going to rock up here and be grateful if the white colonial saviour s who have saved them from the harsh realities of the middle east.

I wonder where those posters who advocate stand on small boat refugees many from Syria and Afghanistan. Should we also allow free travel from those regions as well?.Should we take massive numbers of refugees from conflict zones across the world?

@OhMaria2

Wasn't the situation partially created by Jordan and Egypt attacking Israel? A few years ago Gaza was under Egyptian control and they governed it in pretty much the same way as Israel.

“Hamas are a response to the situation that was created by Israel and the west. The violence predates Hamas”
This is an oversimplification. You’re implying everything is the fault of Israel and the West.
Hamas is funded by Iran . It seems to be in Iran’s interest to destabilise the region .

“All the millions of angry Muslims that already live here are watching what's actually happening in Gaza and its horrific. What do you plan to do with them? “
I’m not sure what you mean by your question but I think “angry Muslims” here ( or angry anyone) should remember that it’s not the fault of anyone living here - Jews or anyone else. They should also remember that Hamas obviously didn’t try to protect their Palestinian citizens and are being funded by Muslims from other countries. Also - not all Muslims think the same . Many Iranians living here have a very different view of the conflict.

Why hasn't this thread been deleted yet?
I am out but before I leave, I would like to quote Desmond Tutu, who visited Gaza and the West Bank, who knew what apartheid was.
"When you go to the Holy Land and see what's being done to the Palestinians at checkpoints, for us, it's the kind of thing we experienced in South Africa. Whether you want to say Israel practices apartheid is immaterial. They are doing things, given their history, you think, "Do you remember what happened to you?" Then they clobber you and say, "You are anti-Semitic."
"Gaza is going to test who believes in the worth of human beings."

All the Iranians and Kurds I know are massive supporters of Israel because they know what life under the ayatollahs is like.

No, thank you. My secular Jewish husband has already experienced anti- semitism. I have no wish to subject him or our children to it and exposing them to hatred about a country where half their family live.

Sounds like you’re going to have a very busy weekend.

You don’t think we should play any part in helping to repair the damage done to the lives and homeland of people in Palestine then?

Spot on.
And yes, it’s quite telling that the thread is allowed to be continued in this form.

@Auvergne63

The blatant racism is quite shocking.

The number of posters who seem to hang around just to mock others, yet offer nothing of their own has rendered this thread totally pointless.

This

I mean, the solution to this problem is surely staring you in the face.