Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

How on earth will any of these figures be accurate? Whole families have been wiped out. Many are still lying under rubble. There's no infrastructure left to retrieve many of the bodies or it's impossible due to the Idf being in situ.

All that is taken into account by the new figures the UN has produced. Maybe just have a look at the report and read up on where they get the numbers from and how it works.

I posted this on another thread. None of these words are mine.

The following are exclusively Jewish voices - academics, media and prominent Jews, mostly within Israel.

Raz Segal, Israeli historian:

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

Lee Mordechai, Asst Professor at Hebrew University:

There is ample evidence for Israel’s indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks throughout the war, as well as many examples for massacres and other killings.

Thread by @LeeMordechai on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App

B’tselem, human rights organisation run by Israeli Jews in Israel:

A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid

https://www.btselem.org/

Gideon Levy, Jewish journalist at Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper:

If It Isn't a Genocide in Gaza, Then What Is It?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-01-14/ty-article-opinion/.premium/if-it-isnt-a-genocide-in-gaza-then-what-is-it/0000018d-040c-dd07-a7df-cf7e8b980000

Mondoweiss, a news website edited by American Jews:

As Jews we know, this is not a war. It’s a genocide.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/as-jews-we-know-this-is-not-a-war-its-a-genocide/

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/05/unpacking-the-israeli-campaign-to-deny-the-gaza-genocide/

The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, run by Israeli Jews:

Israel’s demolition of the homes of the indigenous Palestinian population is part of its ethnic cleansing agenda to eliminate its national and cultural presence.

https://icahd.org/

Bernie Saunders, Jewish senator:

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-statement-on-israels-threat-to-attack-rafah/

Bernie Sanders to Benjamin Netanyahu: ‘Stop murdering innocent people’

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/02/bernie-sanders-netanyahu-gaza-murdering-innocent-people

Haaretz, Israeli newspaper:

What Will Happen When the Holocaust No Longer Prevents the World From Seeing Israel as It Is?

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-05-13/ty-article-opinion/.premium/what-happens-when-the-holocaust-no-longer-prevents-the-world-from-seeing-israel-as-it-is/0000018f-6e29-d336-abdf-feff0ed60000

Jewish Voice for Peace:

We’re fighting to stop a genocide. Slanders against our movements are a distraction.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/04/25/slanders-against-our-movements-are-a-distraction/

Actually, it was posted on this thread already. I'm glad you managed to find yourself some good Jews to admire :)

I’m pleased you said that SharonEllis, I wasn’t expecting that. However there are doubts that Gaza can actually be rebuilt on anytime soon. Firstly dye to the unexploded bombs and and secondly because the Arab countries that would normally fund it are less keen as they think Israel will just level it again. The Israeli right wing government would never allow a two state solution either. So it looks like once this is all over, 2 million people living in appalling conditions in cramped refugees camps as they have nowhere to go.
when I heard about a little baby girl called sabrine who was briefly saved from her mothers womb after her whole family were killed, when I heard she’d died I thought at least she wouldn’t have to suffer living in a perpetual refugee camp with no living family. It’s such a heartbreaking situation.

Read the attached.

Everytime any news agency reported on the figures it was stated where they had come from, as in the ministry of health an agency controlled by Hamas. There was complete transparency there. The minute there was any suggestion that they were inaccurate it was reported on. There is no conspiracy here. Tbh I am relieved not as many women and children have been killed but the 53% is still too f**n many

I'm not sure what you're trying to show me that wasn't already in the screenshot I provided?

There's an interesting article on the BBC about it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-69014893.amp

For me it's not very relevant if it's 7000 children or 14,000. It's still too many. It is inescapable that most of the population of gaza are displaced and at risk of famine. And there is still no sign of Netanyahu letting up.

News agencies also often add that Hamas casualty numbers generally tend to turn out to be accurate. The implication being that we should trust the numbers.

Of course it's too many, but the numbers still matter a whole lot. They mattered a lot when it was discovered that all Israeli deaths on October 7th weren't civilian. You can't just say it doesn't matter because it's a bit inconvenient for your chosen narrative.

Why would you think I don't believe in a 2-state solution? Nothing I have ever said would suggest that.

I notice that you haven't retracted the post that I previously responded to which was full of misinformation and distortion. That post would suggest that you don't believe in the right of the existence of Israel, but to be honest I'm not particularly interested in your opinion.

Anyway, I'm done here.

You guys keep believing what you want and trusting terrorists, although I suppose some on here would call them freedom fighters as per earlier in the thread.

I truly look forward to a time when I never have to interact with any of you ever again because of the existence of two peaceful states side by side.

Ok but that's very different to news agencies being manipulated by Hamas which is what you suggested. Britain has some of the best investigative journalists and independent news agencies in the world I do trust them to report the truth and to put their hands up if they got something wrong. Maybe I'm naive in believing them but I'm too old to change my ways.

Well have the Israelis announced how many of the deaths on the 7th have been caused by their own fire?
Either by burning or the shooting from the helicopter ?

I have no idea, why don't you ask them?

You seem to be more anti-Israel than pro-Palestinian, so I'm not really particularly interested in talking to you. Night night!

It would be better if Israel hadn’t killed so many journalists on the ground, then it would be easier to know just how many have been killed. Personally I fear it is an underestimate.

And you can continue to accuse posters of antisemitism, while offering nothing substantive except barbed comments at every poster trying to have a reasonable discussion.

Please remind me where I accused someone of antisemitism? Alternatively, delete your comment as it is a completely unjustified accusation.

@Humdingerydoo

"Maybe tone down the Israel hate a bit."

My mistake. You said Israel hate.

Yes, which is quite a big difference, don't you think? Anyway, glad we cleared that up.

@Humdingerydoo

Agreed, it's not the same.

It’s a shame you are not interested in my opinion SharonEllis as I’m interested in yours, even if I don’t agree with it. Israel is not going anywhere unless there is ww3 in which case we are all doomed so I’ve never understood accepting Israel existence It is here and not going anywhere whether anyone accepts it or not. What I don’t accept is occupation.

What even does that mean?
I'm anti this so-called war.
I'm anti this almost medieval torture of the Palestinian's. There is no need for this level of barbarity & cruelty.
I'm not pro-hamas.
But If they're a proscribed terrorist organisation, then the Idf/Netanyahu government should be equally proscribed. Inherited/generational trauma is no reasonable excuse.

@Humdingerydoo

But also a grossly unfair accusation.

I have lovely friends in Israel. I worked for an Israeli firm for 10 years.

The Netanyahu government has brought them nothing but fear.