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Conflict in the Middle East

Admitting Gazan refugees would be proof that Britain has a death wish

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Cantonet · 18/05/2024 09:51

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today.
The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

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mids2019 · 18/05/2024 21:51

@Dulra ,

Not the insults. However there is evidence of gross misogyny obviously (unless October 7th was somehow a feminist statement)

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 21:52

@Dulra I think there are some really peculiar people on this thread who thrive on being obnoxious. I meant to leave it, and probably really will do now. Don't get upset. It's not worth it. Thread will be deleted soon anyway, I should think.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:54

mids2019 · 18/05/2024 21:51

@Dulra ,

Not the insults. However there is evidence of gross misogyny obviously (unless October 7th was somehow a feminist statement)

Well then pick out what you agree with not the whole post because you are associating yourself with something that is filled with hate, racist and dehumanising a whole population of people

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:55

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 21:52

@Dulra I think there are some really peculiar people on this thread who thrive on being obnoxious. I meant to leave it, and probably really will do now. Don't get upset. It's not worth it. Thread will be deleted soon anyway, I should think.

I've reported the thread three times but it's still here. Gloves are very much off with some posters tonight

Gunnersforthecup · 18/05/2024 21:57

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 21:30

That isn't necessary. The point is to remember it is a small sample, not the whole population. Highly concerning, but accuracy is important.

I'd agree that it is highly concerning, if this is the best evidence we have (I'd be interested to see better evidence, if anyone has any).

AhNowTed · 18/05/2024 21:57

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EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 21:58

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 21:52

@Dulra I think there are some really peculiar people on this thread who thrive on being obnoxious. I meant to leave it, and probably really will do now. Don't get upset. It's not worth it. Thread will be deleted soon anyway, I should think.

I’m surprised at a few of the posts. Well not in a good way.

Coshei · 18/05/2024 21:59

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 21:52

@Dulra I think there are some really peculiar people on this thread who thrive on being obnoxious. I meant to leave it, and probably really will do now. Don't get upset. It's not worth it. Thread will be deleted soon anyway, I should think.

I agree. Some appalling behaviour on this thread that seems to get tolerated.

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 21:59

AhNowTed · 18/05/2024 21:46

@Humdingerydoo

I have been to Israeli many times. I am well aware that not all Israelis support the far right Netanyahu government.

Indeed there are many Jewish voices, both within and outside Isreal who have been vocal about a government hell bent on revenge and destruction, rather than peace and securing the return of the hostages.

So what you're saying is, you know your previous post was full of lies and gross exaggerations in order to make a point?

Maybe tone down the Israel hate a bit.

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 22:02

Saturday night and a bit of vino @EasternStandard ? Could be why it's heated. I don't know! Have a nice evening.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 22:03

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 21:50

Cryptic?

You think Hamas are manipulating us? I said I get all my news from msn so they are obviously manipulating BBC C4 sky rte etc? Are they really? Are their images doctored? Manipulated? I honestly don't quite understand what are are trying to imply

MissyB1 · 18/05/2024 22:05

Dulra · 18/05/2024 21:55

I've reported the thread three times but it's still here. Gloves are very much off with some posters tonight

I’ve managed to get one vile racist post deleted, but I’ve also reported the whole thread.

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 22:06

Dulra · 18/05/2024 22:03

You think Hamas are manipulating us? I said I get all my news from msn so they are obviously manipulating BBC C4 sky rte etc? Are they really? Are their images doctored? Manipulated? I honestly don't quite understand what are are trying to imply

Not sure about images but they're definitely manipulating all of the above with their words. And people are quite happily just accepting everything they say as fact. It's very, very strange! But it's long been established that they have won the media and propaganda war so it's nothing new.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 22:08

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 22:02

Saturday night and a bit of vino @EasternStandard ? Could be why it's heated. I don't know! Have a nice evening.

For some reason I’m going with a tin of tuna not wine 🤔

Thanks you too

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 22:12

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 21:47

Missing the point, Sharon.

You've lost me. 1500ish is a perfectly reasonable polling sample in the UK with its population of 60+million. Whats the population of Gaza, about 2 million? So this sample is a lot bigger proportionately. How would you suggest going about finding out what 'all Gazans' think?

Dulra · 18/05/2024 22:16

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 22:06

Not sure about images but they're definitely manipulating all of the above with their words. And people are quite happily just accepting everything they say as fact. It's very, very strange! But it's long been established that they have won the media and propaganda war so it's nothing new.

I really don't think they're that clever or have that wide a reach but if you honestly believe this I think you need to work out how or find out if it's really true because it comes across as serious paranoia not really grounded in reality

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 22:17

@SharonEllis I really want to go and make some honey and lemon, as feeling poorly. This article was linked earlier. It cites the poll, but claims the views expressed are held by all Palestinians. I'm simply pointing out this is not true. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
Poll: Hamas Remains Popular Among Palestinians (fdd.org)

Poll: Hamas Remains Popular Among Palestinians

Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist...

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/

ButtonxMoon · 18/05/2024 22:18

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 17:41

Palestinians don't WANT to be "asylum seekers" in the UK or anywhere else in the world. They want to live freely, in Palestine

Tbf people in Israel probably want similar. To live safely and freely, not think about the evidenced threat from neighbours

On both sides I think people can see that.

The biggest threat in that entire region is Israel & the IDF who are committing a genocide. The IDF soldiers and many Israelis (not all) who prescribe to the Zionist agenda/beliefs don't seem to feel "endangered" or "unsafe" whilst they're finding the time to mock and celebrate the mass slaughter of an entire people, including over 14,000 children. I don't see them being forced into refugee camps then being bombed day & night. No, I think they're living pretty "safely" when compared to what they're inflicting on their neighbours.

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 22:24

Dulra · 18/05/2024 22:16

I really don't think they're that clever or have that wide a reach but if you honestly believe this I think you need to work out how or find out if it's really true because it comes across as serious paranoia not really grounded in reality

Hahaha ok. Sure. Remember al-Ahli hospital back in October that Israel bombed and 800 people died and they managed to get to that number within 30 minutes of the explosion? But actually it was a misfired rocket from within Gaza and it was nowhere near 800 dead people?

Remember how Gaza only had one day left of fuel for like two weeks?

These are the kind of things I mean. So it's not paranoia and it's very much based in reality ☺️ Good attempt at gaslighting though. You just need a bit more practice.

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 22:24

I really don't think they're that clever or have that wide a reach
is unfortunately how Israel got fucked over. Let's not carry on being naive

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 22:26

ButtonxMoon · 18/05/2024 22:18

The biggest threat in that entire region is Israel & the IDF who are committing a genocide. The IDF soldiers and many Israelis (not all) who prescribe to the Zionist agenda/beliefs don't seem to feel "endangered" or "unsafe" whilst they're finding the time to mock and celebrate the mass slaughter of an entire people, including over 14,000 children. I don't see them being forced into refugee camps then being bombed day & night. No, I think they're living pretty "safely" when compared to what they're inflicting on their neighbours.

Really? This again? Unless you believe that the state of Israel shouldn't exist, stop with the "Zionist agenda" nonsense.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 22:28

ButtonxMoon · 18/05/2024 22:18

The biggest threat in that entire region is Israel & the IDF who are committing a genocide. The IDF soldiers and many Israelis (not all) who prescribe to the Zionist agenda/beliefs don't seem to feel "endangered" or "unsafe" whilst they're finding the time to mock and celebrate the mass slaughter of an entire people, including over 14,000 children. I don't see them being forced into refugee camps then being bombed day & night. No, I think they're living pretty "safely" when compared to what they're inflicting on their neighbours.

You haven’t mentioned how people in Israel might feel about October 7th and after

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 22:30

stormy4319trevor · 18/05/2024 22:17

@SharonEllis I really want to go and make some honey and lemon, as feeling poorly. This article was linked earlier. It cites the poll, but claims the views expressed are held by all Palestinians. I'm simply pointing out this is not true. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
Poll: Hamas Remains Popular Among Palestinians (fdd.org)

All that means is that their sample was constructed to be representative of 'all Gazans' rather than a subset of Gazans, eg. women, or health workers. I think they work on the assumption thst peopke know how polling works. There is no way to find out what 'everybody' thinks.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 22:31

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 22:24

Hahaha ok. Sure. Remember al-Ahli hospital back in October that Israel bombed and 800 people died and they managed to get to that number within 30 minutes of the explosion? But actually it was a misfired rocket from within Gaza and it was nowhere near 800 dead people?

Remember how Gaza only had one day left of fuel for like two weeks?

These are the kind of things I mean. So it's not paranoia and it's very much based in reality ☺️ Good attempt at gaslighting though. You just need a bit more practice.

You need to look up the meaning of gaslighting because disagreeing with someone is not it. Just to confirm that we are talking about the same thing. You believe all mainstream news medias are being manipulated by Hamas?

Dulra · 18/05/2024 22:33

ChickyBricky · 18/05/2024 22:24

I really don't think they're that clever or have that wide a reach
is unfortunately how Israel got fucked over. Let's not carry on being naive

is unfortunately how Israel got fucked over.
How so?
Honestly all these soundbites with no explanation mean absolutely nothing