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Cantonet · 2024-05-18T08:51:00+00:00

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph today. The sheer level of hatred in this article horrifies me. Am I wrong to feel so shocked by this?

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:27

I know there will be a scrabble for deletion as pp has already stated

Let the views stand. Why not? Maybe people will actually reflect on why their post went down as it did.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:28

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:19

This thread has confirmed that the majority of posters supporting Israel have nothing but hate towards Palestinians, that all you can see them as are terrorist supporting psychopaths. You do not see them as innocent civilians but a threat to you all even the children I guess. They are people that do not deserve to feel safe, do not deserve to be safe and do not deserve asylum at a time of crisis. The way you have also turned on posters and ganged up on them is just so toxic.
I have reported this thread and I really hope Mumsnet delete it. It's a cesspit of intolerance and hatred.

I tend to thing it should be deleted too, though not for the same reasons as you i would guess

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:30

Hélène79 · 18/05/2024 20:27

It's really quite something to witness the same people who have spent months talking over, belittling and giving their opinions about Jews (not just Israelis, but Jews), now complaining about racism.

Sorry? You need to be specific who you are talking about and not a blanket statement accusing posters of something a lot of us haven't done.
complaining about racism
Well God forbid anyone should complain, how inconsiderate and short sighted of us

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:31

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Reported. Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:22

The post was not acceptable

I’m not Jewish but I can see that.

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Why?

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 20:31

Auvergne63 · 18/05/2024 20:27

I think it isn't beyond belief to think things would have changed in 50 years.
I do know from my father in law that racism was rife if you were black. The sign "No blacks, no Irish and no dogs" isn't a myth.

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Yeah we all know that. It's not brand new information

Ritadidsomethingbad · 18/05/2024 20:31

I agree with her.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:31

Reported. Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.

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Disgusting, dishonest, unjustified personal attack.
What bits?

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:32

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:31

Why?

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Scroll back and read why?

There were about ten posts saying why

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:32

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 20:17

Oh dear.

"But our brothers [in the diaspora] are still preparing. They are trying to prepare. They are warming up. A long time has passed with them warming up. All of you 7 million Palestinians abroad, enough of the warming up. You have Jews everywhere and we must attack every Jew on the globe by way of slaughter and killing, if God permits. Enough of the warming up," - Senior Hamas official Fathi Hamad, 2019. That's two years after Hamas changed their charter.

Not sure why anyone would think Hamas genuinely all of a sudden changed their minds about hating Jews 😂 It's still the same people, doing the same thing. They just toned down their charter to win over support from idiots people in the west and it worked. As a general rule, you probably shouldn't trust terrorists.

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I don't.
I was responding to PP saying my post was entirely fiction. That's not true.

I don't think there is much risk to British Jews from Gazan refugees,if we were taking any. Which I don't think we are planning to.

I think the Torygraph are stirring up division in a very irresponsible way. Quite successfully if this thread is anything to go by.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:33

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:27

I'm not interested in taking sides. The Israeli government and the IDF have also said and done awful, dehumanising things about the Palestinians.

Since Netanyahu announced his entirely impossible goal of "eliminating Hamas" I've been deeply worried about the number of Gazans who will die unnecessarily as a result. Pretty much everything I was worried about has and is happening.

The majority of Gazans are displaced. Hundreds of thousands are starving and we know children and babies are most likely to die in famine. This is entirely man made and there is no end in sight. It's shocking in the 21st Century.

I don't think any amount of barbarity from Hamas justifies what's happening in Gaza.

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I got as far as the first sentence but then the tears of laughter blinded me, sorry

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:33

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:28

I tend to thing it should be deleted too, though not for the same reasons as you i would guess

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You are one of the main posters!

Limesodaagain · 18/05/2024 20:33

Humdingerydoo · 18/05/2024 18:06

Right, and how many of those are from when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan themselves until 1967?

Anyway, I believe that refugees should be treated like humans rather than cargo. If they feel that they need to leave their homes they should have some kind of say in where they go. Maybe they don't want to go to Egypt just because it's the physically closest country? It's a different culture and a different dialect from what they're used to. It'd be a bit like sending a Spanish refugee to France - I'm sure they'd have a few things in common but also loads that they wouldn't. Maybe the UK would be a better fit for some Palestinians than Egypt would be. I don't know. It's also not up to me to make that judgement, I feel like it should be at least partly up to them.

There are Palestinians who know full well what Hamas truly are. These people should be helped wherever possible, if for no other reason than that they will hopefully one day be the ones in charge of Gaza. Hopefully, they are the future.

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Yes - I agree . Particularly with your last paragraph.

Ritadidsomethingbad · 18/05/2024 20:34

The marches in London have shown me how close we are to a very dangerous situation. I am scared about the future of the U.K.

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:34

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:27

I know there will be a scrabble for deletion as pp has already stated

Let the views stand. Why not? Maybe people will actually reflect on why their post went down as it did.

But what would they reflect with? The basic reflective capacity appears to be wholly absent in some cases

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 20:34

OK. I have no desire to get into a huge fight over this. I'll leave you all to it.

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Muthaofcats · 18/05/2024 20:36

I have always been horrified by people who wouldn’t wish to help refugees. However for the first time in my life I paused at the idea of Palestinian refugees and felt very conflicted for having such an instinctive reaction. I of course would want to help people in need. But I would find it troubling and worrying to allow people into this country who openly support what Hamas did. Palestinian polls do continue to show support for the group they voted for; and the footage of them partying and celebrating the rape and murder of innocent women, children and grandmothers was absolutely terrifying to me. I would feel extremely nervous about how someone with that ideology could ever integrate into western society.

I am literally the child of refugees. I hate right wing politicians and the Rwanda scheme. I really have never felt this way before; but that is my feeling and I’m open to be challenged and reassured that I’m wrong.

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:36

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:32

Scroll back and read why?

There were about ten posts saying why

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Ok no specific reason there. I am just commenting on what I've read over the past few pages

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:36

Marjoriefrobisher · 18/05/2024 20:34

But what would they reflect with? The basic reflective capacity appears to be wholly absent in some cases

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I know you’re right.

EasternStandard · 18/05/2024 20:37

Dulra · 18/05/2024 20:36

Ok no specific reason there. I am just commenting on what I've read over the past few pages

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Can’t you go back and read?

It was about ten minutes ago

Gunnersforthecup · 18/05/2024 20:40

I think it would be reasonable for some Gazan refugees to come to the UK. But I also think it is reasonable for careful vetting to take place and for the process to be selective. This might take time, and there might effectively be very limited numbers who could come.

Comedycook · 18/05/2024 20:41

Lots of things can be true at once

I feel terrible for innocent civilians, especially children, who are suffering

I detest hamas and 100% believe they hate and want to eradicate all Jewish people.

I don't think all Gazans would pose a danger to the UK. I believe some could and that it may be a risk too great.

I believe there are other countries which would be better suited to help.

I believe the UK should provide aid.

SharonEllis · 18/05/2024 20:41

AdamRyan · 18/05/2024 19:52

Hamas charter. Which I only read because of the repeated assertion that Hamas wants to "kill all Jews"

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity

I'm not a supporter of Hamas. But this repeated assertion that Gazans somehow are complicit in what's happening to them, and are inherently a risk because of their heritage, makes me angry.

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This level of gullibility and refusing to dig just a little deeper is actually rather disgusting. Try warching some of the video taken by Hamas fighters on October 7th, just for starters.

mids2019 · 18/05/2024 20:43

There is significant support for Hamas in Gaza and their 'operation' on October 7 th so why should we risk an influx of migrants from such a region? There have been a number of historical Islamist terrorists in this country and elsewhere partially or wholly motivated by the Palestinian situation. Can people not see how Paletinian people may be pre radicalized? If we look at the scenes from Gaza how do people think it infeasible these people would want the most basic of human wants, that of revenge? Revenge against Jews and revenge against a country that has supported Israel since 1948.

Palestinians are no allies of the UK in the way Ukranians are. Again the hatred personified by Hamas coukd easily be spread elsewhere . Neighbouring Arab countries are wary of refugees because they are quite aware of the threats of terrorism .