Is Israel on its way to being a "Failed State?"

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Netanyahu is destroying Gaza.

The IDF is committing war crimes.
Netanyahu's government has angered, pissed off and disappointed Israeli citizens.
They have disappointed, pissed off and angered Israel's allies.
They are pissing off neighbour states.
The Israeli government and the IDF have created a broken nation of traumatised people.

Right next door.

I fear that Israel will become a failed state.

Yep

No, because the US will continue to support them (and sell them arms) whatever they do.

I don't think so and I certainly hope not.
Bit Netanyahu needs to go, he has lost the plot.

Yes, I agree with this. Oops quoted wrong post, meant to quote Time40 which said the support from the US will keep it going regardless.

Unfortunately such cultures can become quite successful. Such ruthlessness makes winners historically

Again, that would depend on how you define “winning”. I certainly wouldn’t describe a country currently being sued for genocide as a winner.

No I don’t think so. A failed state is one in which institutions don’t work for it’s own people. A pariah state possibly but I doubt it’s institutions are so weak that it becomes a failed state. Afghanistan is a failed state for comparison.

Not even close, that isn’t what ‘failed state’ means. The country functions well, its citizens enjoy a good standard of living and it is an active democracy.

However, Israel is in danger of becoming an extremist state with the continued immigratIon of Jewish extremists. However, it is dependent on the support of the U.S and global Jewry.

They have erred in their prosecution of this campaign and Netanyahu will have to go.

I agree with PP that removing Netanyahu will not solve the problem, he's considered a moderate in the Israeli government. Benny Gantz is on the same page re Gaza and other members of the government are even more extreme.

I think a lot depends on how long the US (and the UK +EU) continue to support the Israeli government. Without the support of other nations Israel would have been a failed state long ago. The government seem intent on destroying the country now but appear to lack any awareness of the consequences of such cruel and reckless disregard for international law.

It will become a pariah as will its inhabitants. This is unforgivable no matter what happened in the past. Each dead Palestinian makes 10 future fighters. They can't all be killed. Its not politics, its sadistic madness.

No. A failed state is one where a government largely can’t exert control within their territory. As we can see they are managing to exert control just fine.

It’s more likely that they’re going to become isolated and eventually subjected to the same treatment as apartheid South Africa. I think if they continue one day they might be forced to adopt a one state solution which is really not in their best interest.

This is the optimistic outcome. But South Africa only worked because such people could be shamed. Israel cannot be shamed in this way.

I'd say the UK is closer to becoming a failed state given our crumbling schools, crumbling teeth, lack of access to GPs and healthcare, bankrupt local councils,, lack of care services for the elderly, cost of living crisis.....

Is south Africa currently a successful or a failed state?
Opinions differ about corruption within it's government and many years after apartheid fell there is grinding poverty, inequality and violence.

Which states do you consider successful if we put Afghanistan at the lower end of the scale?

This thread is about Israel. What’s your opinion on the OP’s question ?

I was responding to pp.

your username suggests to me that engagement with you will be combative, not interested in verbal sparring today

I just asked for your opinion on the topic of the thread. I’m not interested in verbal sparring either. If you don’t want to share your opinion on the topic being discussed that’s fine 🤷‍♀️

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That isnt what makes a 'failed' state. A failed state is one that cant engage with or is ostracised by the wider world.

Israel is too small and lacks wealth of its own to make it in isolation, it only exists because of support from the allies. If that drops away, then its at high risk itself.

It almost feels like Netanyahu is trying to break it down, for what reason I couldnt say.

Again you assume Netanyahu is some kind of rogue operator or maniac. He isn’t. He’s entirely representative of Israeli popular opinion and broader society. Israelis don’t like him personally but that’s not because of how he’s conducting the war in Gaza. It’s because he’s corrupt and they blame him for national security failures. Israelis mostly support the war and don’t want it to stop. You can look up the latest polls from Israel which show there’s widespread support for the Gaza strategy and trust in the army.

Yes I suppose that is true.

How is it then that he/the population cant see that this will turn the world against Israel. That will lead to Israel's failure.

No, it is nowhere near that at the moment. Without knowing a great deal about Israeli politics, I agree with pp that Netanyahu should go but in addition, Israel should consider reforming its PR electoral system to make it less likely that more extreme parties gain control. We know that before Oct 7 there were protests about proposed changes to the judicial structure. A more moderate government is needed and given that Israel is, in fact, a democracy, it might elect one.

It will become a pariah as will its inhabitants I think people should be very careful about making statements like this, about any state or country.