Why do people think anti-isreal is the same as anti-semetic?

[enenenya]

Just that. If I was anti-Iran, it is never called anti-Islamic.

The Jews were never able to return to many of the countries they were driven out of and in many cases had to leave behind a life time of accumulated wealth but somehow people seem to be less concerned about that.

Ireland’s hostility to the State of Israel well and truly predates the current conflict.

Tbh my position now is that they should all leave and the rest of the world should welcome them to safety. I had a Ukrainian family live with me, I can take a Palestinian family in. Nobody should have to live like this and this is never going to end. Let Israel have every single blood soaked inch. No land on earth is worth this much.

I can understand your sentiment but don’t think it will resonate with most Palestinians. And also Israel wouldn’t stop there - they’re already ramping up settlements in the West Bank. And also - let’s be honest - most countries ( and people) do not “welcome” refugees. They would end up in camps in the Sinai while governments argued about who would take a handful of the millions displaced. All while Israelis enjoy their luxury beachside residences in Gaza.

I have no idea what youre saying.

What first poster?

@enenenya

Your post to @BanditBar yesterday at 23:51

"BanditBar
You asked a question and you don’t like the answer.

What are you saying? I asked a question and got bigoted answers back, so I obviously didn't like them."

Please let me know if you need any help in finding or referencing any of your other posts.

I still dont understand your point. I thought they were bigoted? And?

That wasnt the first poster to raise an opposite view anyway. I did go back and try to figure out what you were talking about.

You seem to have a personal issue with me. Perhaps you should leave this thread and go do something wholesome for yourself. Be thankful you are not in Gaza <3

@enenenya

"I still dont understand your point. I thought they were bigoted? And?"

I think we are getting to the fundamental point of Western democratic values and in particular freedom of speech.

You dismiss opinions that do not align with your own as bigoted. You are only seeking opinions that align with your own existing opinions. You are not seeking to debate or educate or inform merely to reinforce and entrench existing views. Such polarisation and inability to listen to or let alone seek to comprehend opposing views will mean that any solution or compromise becomes impossible.

Does that explain it?

Have you decided that I am not "western" so I do not understand democracy or freedom of speech?

I thought something was bigoted. I can have my open opinions. And what you are accusing me of is what you are doing. I am seeking to understand. you are seeking an avenue for hate and attack. Shame on you.

I really think that the future of democracy and freedom of speech are completely screwed going forward.

There is no ability to even listen to another point of view let alone try and understand it, with polarisation making compromise solutions impossible.

Instead, it is simply my opinion is right and I will shout louder to prove it, if you provide facts to counter my views then they are fake. If you continue to debate then your views are dismissed as fascist, far left or far right, woke or neo Nazi.

@enenenya

"Have you decided that I am not "western" so I do not understand democracy or freedom of speech?

I thought something was bigoted. I can have my open opinions. And what you are accusing me of is what you are doing. I am seeking to understand. you are seeking an avenue for hate and attack. Shame on you."

Oh dear having run out of other arguments we seem to have finally reached the point of playing the race card.

Quite simply you are not seeking to understand or even listen to different views. What you are seeking is solely views that align with your own. That way lies polarisation and hate.

I have zero interest in your personal background but I do care about freedom of speech and the ability of people to post different views without them being dismissed as bigoted rather than logically counter argued.

Lastly next time please try and come up with something a bit more creative than "Shame on you", it's all rather tedious.

Will they be allowed back in?

are you ok? You seem to be very confused, very angry, and not able to understand what is going on here. What does freedom of speech have to do with calling someone bigoted?

Im bored of you and your pointless goadiness comments. It's not pleasant, and makes you come across as unpleasant. I would think you might be proud of that, but im bored of it.

I'm not sure why you've decided to make this thread about you. It's not, It is about Palestine.

@enenenya

I'm just fine thanks and thank you for asking.

Freedom of speech has everything to do with the ability to allow others to express their own opinions without them being dismissed as bigoted. They can be counted argued yes preferably with facts but not just insulted.

I'm sorry you find this boring and unpleasant but the freedom of speech and people to express different opinions is what is currently allowing you to even start this thread regardless of the topic.

I'm not sure why you've decided to make this thread about you. It's not, It is about Palestine

I could have sworn it was about antisemitism and people criticising Israel. Maybe you should re read your thread title.

Israel’s terrorist problem is similar in scale to that of the Northern Ireland troubles and yet Israel for many years has addressed the problem by expanding its borders and violating the rights of Palestinians - internment without trial, shoot to kill, including of teenage minors, restricting freedom of movement etc etc This is not consistent with the values of the Irish State or the people of Ireland.

This current episode of conflict is like as if the British had killed even man, woman and child in Letterkenny and Monaghan in a single response to an IRA terrorist attack- 32,000 dead, many more innocent people maimed or wounded.

So in short, Ireland is hostile to the illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories but not to Jewish people . The Hamas made us do it or they were firing annoying dangerous rockets at us just doesn’t wash. We’ve had terrorists and it didn’t need this type of response by the British

@Teddleshon Are suggesting that forced depopulation of Gaza in contravention of the Geneva convention is your preferred solution?

For what it is worth, I am not anti Israel. I am anti the Israeli government's response to the horrors of 07/10. Does that make me antisemitic? No.
No government is exempt of criticism, the Israeli government included.
Frankly, if any other country's government behaved the way they are behaving, I would be as vocal about it and I have been ( South Africa/ Iran and many more).
I was brought up to believe that every single life is precious. My family on both sides suffered under the Nazis. I have grown up hearing stories of atrocities and hunger.
The Israeli government has to take responsibility for their actions. They had a choice on how to respond to Hamas' actions on that fatal day.
Hamas is responsible for what they did. The Palestinian civilians are not.

How should they have responded to a mass slaughter by a terrorist organisation which by every single indication has the majority support of the population and whose stated repeated aim is the abolition of the State of Israel and the murder of all Jews.

Are you telling me what my thread is about? Or are you trying to distract with semantics?

It's hardly semantics. Your thread title and OP are there in black and white for anyone to read.

The IDF have the military means (thanks to the USA /UK) and the intelligence (Mossad) to target where Hamas are hiding and to limit the bombing to these areas. Instead, they chose to carpet bomb Gaza. I am now waiting for the inevitable "but Hamas are hiding behind civilians".

The Israeli government also signed up to the Geneva convention in 1949.
They are in breach of it in so many ways.
A government has always a choice. The "they made us do it" is not a defence.

Yes, and my thread is about Palestine. Your comments are not adding anything useful, I assume they make you feel clever. I'm not sure why you're seeking this from this thread.

@Auvergne63 Are you saying that Hamas are not using civilians / hospitals etc as shields because it’s pretty well documented that that’s exactly what they are doing.