Why do people think anti-isreal is the same as anti-semetic?

[enenenya]

Just that. If I was anti-Iran, it is never called anti-Islamic.

I have to say, that's quite a stretch!

The real reason why Egypt doesn't want to let the Palestinians in is not due to the potential for an Egypt/Israeli war

Israel won't allow it. The Irish government have been trying to get Irish citizens out of Gaza for months but Israel is blocking it, what hope has a Palestinian got to get out?

@Anuggetofpurestgreen no the obvious solution is not to launch an attack on an area whee civilians had been told was “safe”.

Israel doesn't control the Egyptian border though.

And yes, what @Dulra says as well.

given Ireland’s long and very public hostility to the State of Israel this is hardly a surprise
it was a decision based on legal investigations no government would enter into this lightly without the legal evidence to back it up

They can control the movement of people in Gaza.

Yes true but we are discussing Egypt's opportunity to help the situation. Why isn't it?

So you're saying that only Israel is stopping Egypt welcoming the citizens of Gaza with open arms?

I just feel people need to be honest and straight about the things they say and why. The problem is the hidden agenda is always obvious and I don't think it's constructive. Just say what you think and don't make excuses, twisting reasoning to fit an agenda. Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians.

Why should Palestinians leave Palestine????

@Parkingt111

all political parties going forward will want good relationships with Israel and I doubt a change of government will change that in the slightest. There are concerns about the prosecution of this war but those concerns have been strongly voiced through diplomatic channels and as a British citizen I am satisfied with that.

what is unhelpful is comment which can be construed as anti semitism in the guise of of supporting Palestinians. Many people have pressing day to day concerns in the UK and from a geo political standpoint we should looking towards an increasingly aggressive Russiia.

I think posters have made the point that there are many conflicts ranging in the world today and we should feel pick giving in the UK. The world is a horrible place. I think what concerns a lot people is the focus on this one conflict and what is really achieved by portraying Israel, a friendly state, as genocidal.

Britains may be achieved by the imagery from the middle East some October 7th as I am but I think we have to be careful about not inflaming community divides in this my home country. It would too easy to translate some of that obvious hostility in a foreign country to these shores and I think we have a collective responsibility to prevent it.

this does not mean censoring the press or unnecessarily curtailing free speech but have reached of the often fragile community ties in this country we all love. Anti semitis m is rampant and there is an uptake in attacks against Muslims too.

I just think we need care when in engaging analogue that supporters all citizens of Israel as genocide hate filled people as this is not the case. We also have a duty to keep describing the conflict as a war and all our major news outlets for that i.e. ultimately a battle between armed combatants where we all hope civilian deaths can be minimise but are conscious of Israel's stated military objectives.

I think this is why I was against any ad hoc debate conscious because tensions are running high and we all have to be conscious of the impact of the language.

Tbh I feel the same way about people that seem to want all Palestinians to leave to Egypt rather than for Israel to stop breaking International laws. Just be straight about the things you say and why.

Sorry lucky to live in the UK!

It was a response to thr assertion they are "trapped" and why. Whether they should or shouldn't have to leave is another question.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68667556

I'm saying Israel has control over who leaves, if they didn't why after months of diplomatic efforts will Israel not let Irish citizens out? I am only familiar with these cases there are many other governments also trying to get citizens out.

A more obvious solution would be for Israel to end its genocide so Palestinians can live in safety and dignity in their own homeland.

See my post above. I have no views on whether they should or shouldn't. I have no skin in this game and no strong opinions. I'd just like to hear facts

No - I’m discussing how the humanitarian situation could be improved. Potentially opening the border would have a short term advantage, but a ceasefire and escalation of humanitarian aid could have a similar impact without the huge long term disadvantages and risks.
And out of a matter of interest what do you think would happen if Egypt allowed all Gazans to leave? Do you not think it would just extend the conflict to Egypt?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68667556

it is genocide

No im referring to bigots as bigots. Dont speak on my behalf.

As mentioned I'm just talking about whether they are trapped or not and why. Anyway must dash.

The majority of people, regardless of ethnicity, home country or religion, just want to feel safe and live their lives in peace. This conflict has reduced the safety and well-being of people FAR beyond the conflict zone.

This is peoples lives @enenenya Not a cosy topic for your privileged theorising.

@enenenya

"No im referring to bigots as bigots. Dont speak on my behalf."

But on the basis that you dismissed the first poster who raised an opposing view to yourself as a bigot then ergo you have conflated the two.

Don't worry I have no intention of speaking on your behalf as I would no idea where to even start.