Why do people think anti-isreal is the same as anti-semetic?

[enenenya]

Just that. If I was anti-Iran, it is never called anti-Islamic.

It’s actually not well documented. It’s simply alleged by the Israeli army. Those wonderful bastions of truth and transparency who present no evidence for the reasons they use to enact mass savagery.

and the “we had no choice” argument is a bit old now. It’s several thousand dead children too old. No one buys the Implicatory Denial (as it’s so eloquently described by Professor Conor Gearty) anymore.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n02/conor-gearty/short-cuts

@enenenya

"Yes, and my thread is about Palestine. Your comments are not adding anything useful, I assume they make you feel clever. I'm not sure why you're seeking this from this thread."

Aside from the ability of posters to make differing opinions, I would say that @HairLikeAnEasterEgg actually pointing out what this thread is actually about is indeed useful.

You seem very defensive about people identifying obvious and basic points.

Hamas are vile and may well state they want the destruction of Israel, but realistically they are not much of a threat assuming Israel makes use of and acts upon its extensive defense systems, surveillance and intelligence. I think they are much more at risk from the West Bank ( which they are continually goading with settlements and where risks are more difficult to manage) or Hezbollah. As to what they could do, along with @Auvergne63 ’s points they could engage in longer term political processes to move Palestinians away from Hamas ands give them viable, long term alternatives. This would be much more likely to benefit Israel in the long run.

I am saying that the Israeli government is using this as an excuse to carpet bomb Gaza and as they do not allow independent international journalists in, it is difficult to provide unequivocal proof that this is the case now and I stress the word now.
Well documented by whom? See my previous point.
Having said this, I do not believe either that Hamas tells the truth.
It is also interesting that you ignore the first part of my post where I answered your question.

@gloriagloria

"they could engage in longer term political processes to move Palestinians away from Hamas ands give them viable, long term alternatives. This would be much more likely to benefit Israel in the long run."

And the best way of achieving this is through an economically successful West Bank with all new Israeli settlements halted in the short term and existing settlements removed in the medium term/ long term.

If you simply bash ordinary Gazans without giving them hope of a better more prosperous, more peaceful alternative then you simply create resentment, radicalisation and bigger problems down the road.

By using their intelligence to target Hamas and work strategically to get the hostages back. Not by killing and bombing indiscriminately, killing over 30,000 civilians and over 10,000 children, not by displacing 2 million people, restricting humanitarian aid and plunging Palestine into a manmade famine, not by committing war crime after war crime contravening the Geneva convention which they have signed up to. Not by committing what more and more states believe is a genocide.

Do you honestly believe this was their only option? Do you think Israelis are safer as a result? Do you think the hostages are safer and more likely to be released as a result? Has Hamas been defeated or emboldened as a result? Because from my perspective Israelis are no safer, hostages have not been located or freed and nothing but death and destruction has been achieved

Why if it were possible and achievable to simply use their intelligence to get the hostages back and defeat Hamas would they have embarked upon this bombing campaign? As you say it has hardly worked out in Israel’s favour.

That's something you nor I can answer but they claim to have the best intelligence in the world and have managed targeted attacks on Hamas leaders so it's strange they have been unable to use their intelligence to locate the hostages, it doesn't fit with their intelligence based targeted successes.

That aside, do you think their response was appropriate and the only option open to them? because your post that I initially responded to suggests you do.

I think their only option to ensure the future of Israel and a Jewish homeland is to destroy Hamas.

I think everyone would benefit from the fall of Hamas, but don’t believe this can be achieved through military means, and certainly not by brutalizing a population.

But they're not, they are destroying Gaza they are no where near destroying Hamas. I would also argue that the current Israeli government and military leaders of the IDF are as much a risk to the Gazan people as Hamas are to Israelis. Gazans deserve a future and their homeland too but it has been completely destroyed and they have lost everything and for what?

Hamas, with the support of the majority of Gazans, knew that they would unleash hell with their attacks of October 7. You ask what Israel has achieved but what has Hamas achieved?. The lack of support from their international allies is telling.

If anything good can come out of this almighty mess it is a renewed international commitment to a lasting two state solution. However I struggle to see how either Hamas or Netanyahu (and other far right Israeli leaders) can be the ones at the table..

I think we can all agree on that @gloriagloria

No, it's not save for them.
I couldn't see the current generation of Israelis allowing them back in, they would just be jailed or killed if they tried to return. Maybe in decades to come future generations of Israelis will look back in horror and it might then be safe for their decendants.

@Teddleshon are you saying that the majority of Gazans knew about the attack prior to it happening and supported it? Why do you put the majority of Gazans with Hamas?

If they’re not allowed back in isn’t that genocide ?

No, I’m saying that the majority of Gazans support Hamas.

Please provide verified evidence for your statement.

There isn't any

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.

Taken from this article:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514

There have been multiple polls and in case it is quite obviously self evident.

I didn't say it was right or fair, it's far, far from that. I just think it's the best option to save the lives of Palestinians, they can't stay were they are watching their children being killed or starved. I believe there's a specific legal definition of genocide and I don't know what that is so can't comment.

To those who are of the opinion that the majority of Gazans do not support Hamas, I would be really interested to see the evidence of this.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183

How these polls are conducted though is anyone's guess when no independent journalists have been allowed into Gaza for months