Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

The level of hatred among some posters towards Palestinians is shocking

Let’s not pretend the meaning and usage is 100% settled as calling for the genocidal destruction of Israel as that is a minority extremist opinion. My posts have said have much, the only pretense that there is no contention isn’t coming from me.

Is there?

I don't think anyone objects to people expressing grief and concern over the deaths of Palestinian children. Anyone in their right mind shares it.

Because our government isn’t helping China do that. You don’t march the streets when your government is already doing the right things.

Well, that's what the post you quoted was saying?

I was just anticipating the "Well, look how cruel it is to bomb/starve children" comments if I mentioned how sadistic the attacks of 7 October were.

Yes, war is horrific and cruel. But terrorism takes this to another level.

So are you saying if Palestinians died more 'DELIBERATELY horrific deaths' rather than the I don't know how you would describe them accidently horrific deaths?? then people might understand why there is widespread condemnation of Israels actions rather than assuming that people are just antisemitic? But because their deaths are not deliberately horrific enough for some people the only reason they can think of for people being upset at their deaths is 'they hate jews'. Whereas people never question why people feel for the people killed and injured on 7/10 because they were killed deliberately horrifically enough. Like there is some kind of hierarchy of killing and death to some people?

We clearly interpreted it differently.

Right but just 7/10 terrorism is horrific enough? Not all of the other terrorism? None of that passes the 'deliberately horrific enough' test? So why that's why people who are outraged by 7/10 terrorism aren't expected to be outraged by any other terrorism? It's really confusing I have to say.

They do though. Read the thread. Apparently their only motivator can be antisemitism because they aren't posting here about or marching often enough for every other conflict happening in the world.

That's not how I read the posts.

I also suspect that what you call "other terrorism" is what I call "war."

So you’re pro Palestinian, but why aren’t you bothered about a nazi swastika being paraded through our streets? You’ve instantly asked for context which is hilarious as the reason the police response was outrageous was because they also said it’s context dependant.

simple yes or no for you: do you think a swastika at a demonstration (or any other context) is ever ok?

bit weird for you to bring up being pro Palestine in response to this; I’d imagine you’d be just as horrified by this no ? Regardless on your thoughts on Gaza?

To paraphrase Orwell, "all deaths are equal but some are more equal than others"?

I give up!

I haven’t seen evidence it was

• the Nazi swastika as opposed to Hindu/Buddhist one, or
• which side displayed it in a placard and in what context

Even if it were a Nazi swastika, a placard like the one I have seen held by Pro-Israel counter protesters that says Hamas are Nazis and with the Nazi swastika in a banned red circle symbol like this 🚭would be ok.

The video was filmed on a day when there were both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli protesters. The woman never clarifies the context or who had it or even which swastika it was.

I’m Jewish btw, and I don’t think the police response was outrageous especially since the holder of the placard had already been arrested/detained and this had been established during a part of the 10min interaction with the woman, but she edited that out before posting to shit stir. A police officer can’t do the job of a magistrate and state a placard he hasn’t seen is definitely AntiSemtic and the protester is guilty of a hate crime. It’s not his job. That is the job of the court.

What do you call the killing of British aid workers who were in clearly marked cars who had shared their co-ordinates with the IDF before they were hit, not once, not twice but three times resulting in them all dying.

I actually think a lot of people are drawn to a conflict like this because there are two clear sides. Whereas in civil wars, there are often extremely complicated factions and groups involved. This is like a football match to many. Pick a side.

@Dibilnik you'll never be able to get your point across here without being told you're wrong, or have your words deliberately misinterpreted or taken out of context. People don't want a discussion, just an echo chamber.

A cock-up. They're quite common in wars.

Not as common as they are in this war such that “cock ups” seem to be more the norm than the exception.

Don't be ridiculous.

EDITED TO ADD...
It's just occurred to me that many of the PPs here have never worked in a government job. I have, for decades, e.g. INTERPOL in the 1990s. You wouldn't believe how disorganised it all is.

Yet you seem to think that in a war situation, where chaos literally reigns, and communications are fucked up, and everyone is making snap decisions on the spot... You really seem to think that strategic plans are being implemented?

The objectives you're projecting onto this situation are like finding a melody in white noise.

War is an absolute fucking nightmare, relentless, unpredictable, chaotic, out of control. That's why it's a good idea to avoid it at all costs and not launch an attack like 7 October.

Your dismissive attitude towards these deliberate deaths says it all.

I was just anticipating the "Well, look how cruel it is to bomb/starve children" comments if I mentioned how sadistic the attacks of 7 October were.
I have not seen any poster* *do anything but condemn the horrific Oct 7th attack so that was a big assumption on your part to make and a pretty distasteful comparison to make.

Yes, war is horrific and cruel.

Particularly when you continually commit war crimes and are being investigated for genocide

OK, I'm just basing it on my experience on other threads here on MN.

This is the thing: everyone mourns the deaths of Palestinian children. But to use this as a Trojan horse to deliver messages about "genocide" and "war crimes" is something else. That's what I object to.

The callousness of that response surprised even me.