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Conflict in the Middle East

Forensic Al Jazeera investigation into October 7th

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Finallyloggedin · 22/03/2024 18:54

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/21/october-7-forensic-analysis-shows-hamas-abuses-many-false-israeli-claims

This is well worth a watch. It gives context to the Israel/Hamas conflict. Certainly doesn’t paint Hamas in a favourable light, I don’t think. Goes into chilling details of many terrible atrocities committed by Hamas. It Also disproves some of the allegations made by the Israeli government and repeatedly referred to by journalists and politicians around the world.

Also raises many questions on how October 7th ever happened…

October 7: Forensic analysis shows Hamas abuses, many false Israeli claims

Investigation draws up a list of those killed but also finds certain claims repeated by Israeli politicians untrue.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/21/october-7-forensic-analysis-shows-hamas-abuses-many-false-israeli-claims

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stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 20:19

@Finallyloggedin I did. And that ridiculous 'article'. It's damage limitation rubbish at best. Poor Hamas.... wandering aimlessly unchallenged. Followed by Palestinian thugs who were allowed to maraud around Israeli communities doing what they wish. Sob.

It also doesn't do what you said. Israel not cooperating with international bodies does not disprove claims that were made.
Still waiting for your gotcha.

Finallyloggedin · 29/03/2024 21:28

@stomachamelon i think you are missing the point. The documentary doesn’t celebrate Hamas or excuse their actions on October 7th, what it does is investigate what they did and didn’t do.

It is also highlighting that it was very strange how far they got before Israeli forces stopped them. It wasn’t implying “poor Hamas…” it was merely saying how crazy it was that so much time elapsed before Israel regained full control.

The documentary draws attention to the unlikeliness of this happening in the context of Gaza being under constant surveillance and Israel obviously being so heavily fortified. Ultimately the documentary suggests that it was down to a series of very unfortunate factors which combined to allow enough ‘chinks in the armour’ for this to occur. obviously no one, including Hamas themselves, were expecting for them to go on so long undefeated. This is why the documentary talks about how they were arguing amongst themselves, walking around aimlessly, etc, as they obviously didn’t think they would have got this far.

Hamas are not glorified in the documentary and they do not come across well, their use of violence against innocent civilians is heinous.

They are guilty of very real war crimes and there is no need for anyone to fabricate further crimes.

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Finallyloggedin · 29/03/2024 21:39

Full documentary from which I posted the Andrew Feinstein and Francesca Albanese except earlier. Distressing but well worth a watch.

Israel: Above the law? | Featured Documentary

A look into how and why international laws and principles are being applied and ignored in the Israel-Gaza conflict.The events of October 7 sent shockwaves a...

https://youtu.be/ueXEXjqXNvk?si=kmLaWZFacDnM0cfM

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stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 22:00

@Finallyloggedin I am not missing the point I just don't share your opinion. Even your language in the repetition of what I have seen is making excuses and victim blaming.

' they were arguing amongst themselves, walking around aimlessly'

What to do with your time? Rape and murder a few more people?

stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 22:29

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5BzUJIpHWK/?igsh=MWM5N3Y4emxidTJ6aQ==

Albanese..... not bias at all Confused

stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 22:30

And again

www.instagram.com/reel/C5E1h5jpoIg/?igsh=Zm9xdG1sOHgwdmZ2

Finallyloggedin · 29/03/2024 22:39

@stomachamelon you are twisting what I am saying. I have not ‘made excuses’ and neither am I victim blaming. I have clearly said that they committed heinous crimes.

Once again, the “mass rape” story has been disproven.

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OpalOP · 29/03/2024 22:54

Finallyloggedin · 29/03/2024 22:39

@stomachamelon you are twisting what I am saying. I have not ‘made excuses’ and neither am I victim blaming. I have clearly said that they committed heinous crimes.

Once again, the “mass rape” story has been disproven.

How many rapes can you have without it constituting mass rape?

EasterIssland · 29/03/2024 22:55

stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 22:30

Taking into account Israel hasn’t still proven that the HQ were below urnwas HQ(and neither the links between Hamas and unrwa and the some of their members took part on 7-10) and that many countries that paused their funding have resumed it by now … not sure what your point with this link (in this thread) is.

25milesfromhome · 29/03/2024 22:55

stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 22:00

@Finallyloggedin I am not missing the point I just don't share your opinion. Even your language in the repetition of what I have seen is making excuses and victim blaming.

' they were arguing amongst themselves, walking around aimlessly'

What to do with your time? Rape and murder a few more people?

It’s a real conundrum for sure. Argue amongst yourselves whether to take a break from rape and murder to take some elderly people hostage instead? Tricky.

EasterIssland · 29/03/2024 23:02

stomachamelon · 29/03/2024 22:29

Is Hillel Neuer bias at all?

25milesfromhome · 30/03/2024 10:35

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25milesfromhome · 30/03/2024 14:29

OpalOP · 29/03/2024 22:54

How many rapes can you have without it constituting mass rape?

I’m sure Al Jazeera can provide the forensically definitive answer for how many rapes and sexual assaults Hamas and their associates need to have committed in order for it to constitute mass rape.

lindyloo1980 · 30/03/2024 16:42

I watched it and thought it was very balanced and certainly it wasn't in support of what Hamas did. I remember at the beginning, on Mumsnet, when posters were still talking about beheaded babies and babies cooked in oven when it had long be debunked. The IDF are currently commiting atrocities but I still want the reporting to be accurate i.e not embellished.

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stomachamelon · 01/04/2024 10:28

www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-794610

25milesfromhome · 01/04/2024 13:48

Can’t edit- that meant to say Al Jazeera and fabricated allegations, not evidence.

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25milesfromhome · 01/04/2024 19:04

@Finallyloggedin Could you please stay on topic? Constant derailing doesn’t really add anything to this discussion and if you wish to post unconnected links like your last three, there are more appropriate threads on the CIME board to do this, as I’m sure you’re aware.

25milesfromhome · 01/04/2024 19:28

My apologies, it’s actually the previous six links posted by @Finallyloggedin that are unconnected to the thread topic.

If it’s going to continue to stray off topic, may I suggest renaming this thread ‘Frequent random condemnatory links about Israel’? Although there’s the risk that this might make it indistinguishable from hundreds of other threads already on this board.

stomachamelon · 01/04/2024 19:40

:)

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