Forensic Al Jazeera investigation into October 7th

[Finallyloggedin]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/21/october-7-forensic-analysis-shows-hamas-abuses-many-false-israeli-claims

This is well worth a watch. It gives context to the Israel/Hamas conflict. Certainly doesn’t paint Hamas in a favourable light, I don’t think. Goes into chilling details of many terrible atrocities committed by Hamas. It Also disproves some of the allegations made by the Israeli government and repeatedly referred to by journalists and politicians around the world.

Also raises many questions on how October 7th ever happened…

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/war-gaza-al-jazeera-tells-7-october-story-british-media-will-not

Thanks for the thread @Finallyloggedin. I'll have a watch a bit later when I'm free.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-children-who-lost-limbs-in-gaza

Article about some of the many, many victims of Israel’s assault on Gaza, largely on children.

The Al Jazeera documentary features an academic who explains how the lies told and retold around the world, seek to dehumanise the population so that people are more willing to commit / support the war crimes now taking place.

”Evil” doesn’t come close to describing the Israeli government officials, Biden, Blinken, Sunak, et al, and others such as all the journalists who knowingly perpetuated these lies and used them to murder thousands of children and maim thousands more.

It certainly is astonishing how people are so willing to believe stories that just aren't true without evidence.

https://x.com/mohammedakunjee/status/1771046865129058561?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Fantastic speech by Australian parliamentarian.

I liked the programme, it made you realise that there are a lot of stories. Of those we get to hear about, some of them are true, some are exaggerated, some are partly true and the rest are just that, made-up stories.

And all this applies, to a greater or lesser extent, across all media.

This is where the cynic comes closer to the truth than the gullible.

I'm usually just a silent watcher here but I have reported multiple posts here that have been spreading disinformation in an attempt to justify what has been happening to Palestinians and to try and dehumanise them. Each time mumsnet have emailed me and basically said we don't care, if you have a problem with it debate it on the thread. This stance has really upset me over the months and I can't think of another situation where mumsnet would allow such vicious victim blaming and dehumanising of people in order to justify them being killed in such vast numbers. I think serious questions need to be answered not just by politicians but by platforms like mumsnet that have allowed this to flourish even when it has been brought to their attention and explained to them why it is harmful. When pretty much every single reputable human rights organisation in the world are telling us that we are witnessing genocide in action I don't think it is acceptable for such a high profile website to shrug its shoulders at the part that it has played in allowing disinformation to spead and the dehumanisation of an extremely vulnerable population. Surely there should be some kind of moral responsibility there not to contribute further towards the spreading of hatred towards people who are already experiencing unimaginable suffering. Anyway, this is just something that has been bothering me for a while and I had to get it out. Apologies if it is an inappropriate thread to do so.

https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2024/03/22/israel-education-system/?__s=49p5q2spkoewcqraqzpw

@TextureSeeker well said, I completely agree. I also feel there is bias when it comes to posts being deleted. I think you word your concerns very well and would encourage you to put an email to Mumsnet on it raising your concerns with their policing of these threads and discrepancies in what they do and don't allow

@Finallyloggedin @TextureSeeker
You both make really good points about what's been happening and I would wholeheartedly agree with everything said.

I too have reported posts and for TAAT and for basically talking negatively about posters across the CIME board but apparently it's not against MN talk guidelines. I always thought it was and threads were deleted for this reason.

I have similar concerns. I've reported clear hate speech and it's been left posted.

In relation to the Al Jazeera investigation, it raises some very important questions regarding multiple aspects of that terrible day, what happened before it, and what's happened after it.

This is strange, I’ve just seen that my last reply , the one I wrote to @TextureSeeker has been deleted. I’m not sure why @mnhq?

You could ask mumsnet?

I'd email MN and ask them.

Thanks both, I will. Is that the main ‘contact us’ address? Many thanks

I'm not sure but when I've done similar I've used the report button on the thread and given the time of the posting of the deleted message.

I believe so. But you could report your post that's been deleted and ask them that way. I hope you get an answer.

I stopped reading and watching early on. I saw something near the start that appeared to show civilian Palestinians were fully on board with the rape and torture of the young women.

I quickly realised that there was little else that could be believed.

I do think there’s a difference between military action in an area which is heavily populated (with devastating consequences) and the original terrorism.

I also don’t understand why this particular war is attracting so much more attention and opinion than wars like Somalia (if I’ve remembered correctly) and Yemen.

It’s an appalling situation and I don’t really trust anyone who claims one side or the other is right. And I don’t trust any of the reports.

One way or another it’s effectively made me divest from the situation- I can’t do anything about it, can’t trust any information about it, so am leaving it to people in a better position to act. Disenfranchised I suppose.

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/targeted-ads-millions-spent-on-israels-bid-for-western-influence-15557233

Interesting article from a few months ago.

@metalchefitalian I've no idea what you're talking about but I'm talking about something else.

@metalchefitalian good few posts have been deleted on this thread ask Mumsnet why as the others have been advised to do as opposed to just accusing people