Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

[Redebs]

Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Hats off to you! 😉

“In my view the nonsense over Eurovision is symptomatic of a decadent culture “ discuss

Kind of ironic that "Ireland has prided itself on “standing up” for the Palestinians, to the point it tried to persuade the EU to issue a statement demanding that Israel refrain from any kind of military response to the October 7 terrorist attack. "

But "Who could possibly have imagined that the Irish public would turn out to be no more keen on illegal migration than people in Britain? This is, after all, the country of Mary Robinson, former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, who still travels the world lecturing us all about how the rich world is oppressing the poor and weak through climate change. "

Pro-Palestinian yet they would want to deport them according to this article
. Talk about irony.

"What’s more, it’s not just the Irish public bleating about migration. Suddenly, the government is fed up with migrants spilling over the border from Northern Ireland into the republic. It wants to change the law so that migrants can be returned to the United Kingdom whence they came – the United Kingdom which a few weeks ago was deemed to be unsafe.
Isn’t that what welcoming Ireland is supposed to be doing: offering sanctuary to anyone who fears for their safety in a brutal country like Britain? Yet it seems that Dublin’s enthusiasm has begun to pale a little now the numbers are rising. Rather than an exceptional paragon of woke virtue, it is, in other words, just like Britain – and indeed every other country."

Confused by your response to @Dulra
What has immigration got to do with the post on Irelands long held support for Palestinians.

Keenforhelp

*This is why I said let's see what the Irish think in a couple of years time. All I see is that the Irish don't seem too happy with the influx of people and I don't think the rest of Europe is either.

There is a problem in Palestine, the international community must come together to try and end it and implement a two state solution. Too many people on both sides have died.

Our collective failure to solve this has given extremists an excuse for barbarity. We have become soo used to it and so far from our principles that some of us can no longer call them out even though they purposely seek out innocent people to rape, kill and slaughter in the most barbaric way.*

There was a whole thread discussing this in AIBU. Go discuss it there I'm not repeating myself here

It’s complicated . Let’s not pretend there is a “good” side and a “bad” side. There are only good and kindly individuals and selfish and malicious individuals.

Eh what???

I postedit in response to this "You don't need to wonder. The majority of Irish people fully support the government stance on Palestine."

And said it was ironic.
Kinda NIMBY.

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I think the soundbites complicate things and every country is grappling with the numbers. Ireland do take their quota though and have never reneged on that. I work with IPAS applicants in the area I work in and the amount of misinformation is depressing and exhausting. I have had nothing but positive experiences (not of the system of the people). The key thing that needs to happen is to speed up the processing of applicants people are in limbo for years. I've met Minister O'Gorman a number of times and I believe he is doing the best he can with what he's got. I feel sorry for him

Apologies for derail!!

And said it was ironic.
Kinda NIMBY

It may appear that way if you just read the headlines. The situation is a lot more complicated than that. Yes Ireland has anti immigrant groups like most countries but in the main Irish people are supportive of immigrants and do take their prescribed quota they have never reneged on that.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41358319.html#:~:text=The%20report%20shows%20that%2C%20in,2014%20%5BEurobarometer%20data%5D.%E2%80%9D

@keenforhelp

@Scirocco I'm dubious that Russians regard goths as degenerates, which I think a pp suggested to you. There are many cultured, educated and sophisticated Russians familiar with subcultures and un-phased by cultural diversity. I would say that lumping them all together as parochial puritans is right wing dogma, based on a deep seated dislike of Russia and a belief that they are backwards in some way. There are goth bands in Russia who play in the clubs.

I thought you were calling me NIMBY but luckily I googled.

I appreciate you see a link or irony as you say between immigrants and support for Palestinians by the Irish
But
The similar history the two have is the root behind Irelands support for Palestinians in particular.

agree With Dulra over derail re immigration apologies OP

Mine was based on the actual comments of some cultured, educated russians

x.com/amb_ulyanov/status/1789226677249151084?s=46&t=En7uHsBtveeyWz6jMQkU-A

@Februaryfeels OK, but looks like the view of one political representative. I thought your post implied that Russians, as in the whole/majority of the country held this view. I somewhat sympathise with his take on EV being a 'degenerative exercise', at least as opposed to a regenerative one, but I don't think that would be the view of all Russians, by any means.

Posting about an issue that has arisen in the last couple of weeks in Ireland as a result of Britain's hideous Rwandan policy isn't the gotcha you think it is. 🙄

what a bizarre post. I’m in my 40’s and it’s as clear as day that either people agree with our government’s stance or do not care about the issue. So unless you live in the middle of a unionist area in Northern Ireland - your Ireland is the same as ours. I find it really hard to believe that your in Ireland if your genuinely think it’s a generational thing or even that you think people are blinded with hate - that is simply not the case.

https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news/almost-80-of-irish-people-support-palestine-as-protest-to-take-place-in-the-city/

I’m not sure you understood the point I was trying to make - but never mind .

Well to start with you suggested the poster must be younger than you and therefore a younger Irish person is more likely to support the Palestinians.
Thats utter bollocks and if you know anything about the history of both countries, which it’s hard not to if you live in Ireland, then you should know full well Irish people have supported the Palestinians for a very long time.
This is not a since October 7th thing!…..Not for the Irish!

yes do explain. What kind of different ireland are you living in? What does your younger point mean?

@Limesodaagain do you live in Ireland? I also find your post strange and out of touch with the reality here.

Wow! Mumsnet is something else at times. I didn’t say I lived in Ireland. I’ve said lots of times on here that I live and work in London. I find it strange that you believe all Irish people think the way you do. I can understand why some Irish people keep their views to themselves as they might run the risk of getting accused of being all sorts of things. This is a very polarising topic.
My point about my age was just a reference to that fact that younger people often have a zeal and passion for causes that sometimes needs to be tempered by a reminder that good causes can be corrupted by people with bad intentions. If you think that’s “bollocks” that’s fine.

I know all this. I’ve been to Gaza and worked in Rafah camp as a student in the 1980’s .

“Yes do explain”
I really object to the tone people adopt on here. Do you speak to people in real life with contempt?