Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Who did I disregard and when did I do so? 😳 It's coming across as a completely baseless accusation, so please clarify

Is it not? So what happened?

You posted this statement yourself! Is there somewhere else that suggests he threatened a woman?

Yes, of course there is. I believe most news outlets have reported it. Here is Sky News. Not sure why you weren't able to find this yourself - are Irish media not reporting on it?

https://news.sky.com/story/eurovision-axes-dutch-entry-joost-klein-after-controversy-over-incident-13133327

No need to be so snarky I haven't seen any news reports only your post on it. After reading your skynews link it does seem to say allegedly

Joost Klein was alleged to have made verbal threats to a female Eurovision production worker

Sorry misunderstood your post - you're absolutely right. The contortions around this on this thread are quite funny so I got confused with who was saying what. Yes, the way the world aligns around recognising Hamas for what they are (fascist, dictatorial, theocratic terrorists) is of course very revealing. Some of it is straightforward geopolitics, some if it driven by antisemitism (check out the countries that used to have Jewish populations but no longer do). A bit like Eurovision voting I expect!

Of course it's still "alleged". It takes more than 24 hours to prosecute someone.

You can't really blame me for being snarky in response to a snarky comment made by you. It goes both ways.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the show tonight but still obviously worried about how it will go. Joost seems to have an awful lot of very loud support despite the allegations. It's concerning.

Apologies if you meant Arab Israelis weren't considered people. I assumed you were referring to Israeli Jews exclusively.

Of course I didn't mean that?! What the actual fuck?! I've never said, implied or thought anything even remotely like that! I'd suggest you maybe delete your comments at that's genuinely a shocking and baseless accusation for you to have made.

Ok but you were criticising posters for not showing their revolt and then you posted a link from Eurovision which stated this incident did not involve any other performer or delegation member and then another which said it was alleged, yet you felt it was appropriate to give out to posters for not being revolted by it!

Hope you enjoy the Eurovision later I won't be watching. I refuse to support a competition that allows a nation currently murdering and starving children compete. And I question the values of a nation that think it is appropriate to compete in a song contest given what their government are currently doing in Gaza.

No, I wasn't criticising posters for not showing their revolt. I was criticising people all over social media for supporting him. I was wondering if anyone else agreed with me that it's revolting that people are supporting someone accused of threatening behaviour towards a woman. You're twisting my words into something completely different. Please stop.

Like everyone else on the thread, I am waiting to find out.

It was alleged threatening behaviour towards a female member of the crew.

Yes, that's the reported allegation.

An investigation into what happened is ongoing.

People supporting him or condemning him are equally wrong. It is an allegation, it might be false, it might be malicious, it might be 100% true but none of us know.

I'm aware. I also didn't condemn him. I said

"So is anyone else revolted by how much online support Joost is getting online?? Why are people supporting someone accused of threatening to harm a woman? Is that really something worthy of support?!"

I was condemning the people supporting him, people who think threatening someone isn't a big deal. The allegations were clearly serious enough that police got involved, yet people kept offering unconditional support. I find it odd and a bit gross to be honest.

I hope the woman involved is ok. Imagine if her name is ever leaked 😳

So who did you mean by "Israelis are people too"? It read like you just meant Jewish Israelis.

If you think "Israelis" only means "Jewish Israelis" then I'm afraid you're the one with the problem. If you keep going with this I'll be reporting your comments. Please just stop.

Apologies, I misinterpreted your op

Things aren’t getting any better
nemo isn’t present either and I’ve read that the Greek competitor wasn’t either

This seems to be the reason. The 3 of them have been the ones that Israel journalists and the songwriter have posted about
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2024/0511/1448614-bambie-thug-angry-at-israeli-eurovision-commentary/

"On Tuesday, a commentator on Kan, the Israeli public service broadcaster, warned TV viewers with children that Bambie Thug’s performance of their song, Doomsday Blue, would be "the most scary" of the night.
"There will be a lot of spells and black magic and dark clothing, Satanic symbols, and voodoo dolls, like we are at Cats Square in Jerusalem in the mid-90s," the commentator said, referring to a well-known public square in Jerusalem that was central to the city’s nightlife in the 1990s and synonymous with goth culture.
The commentator said there was "some controversy" in Ireland about the song, referencing a petition calling on RTÉ to disqualify Doomsday Blue as Ireland’s entry.
He also noted that Bambie Thug liked to "speak negatively about Israel".
"But we can talk about that later. Prepare your curses," he said."

That's quite different from what you were claiming had been said earlier in this thread. Hopefully you'll now acknowledge that you have been sharing a lot of anti-Israel propaganda rather than news stories. Maybe stop getting so much of your information from social media.

Anyway, if what they said contravenes EBU guidelines I'm sure they'll be suitably penalised. Wouldn't be the first time Eurovision commentators have broken rules or said something inappropriate.

Still pretty poor behaviour to be targeting particular competitors like this. No shock it was an Irish competitor they've targeted.

Honestly, all commentators say stuff like this. They all make fun of the performers. Pretty sure they would've said the exact same thing if they had been Swedish or Italian. But yes, it's unfortunate that it was about the Irish performer as now that will obviously just help feed the anti-Israel sentiments among the Irish.

Anyway, if they broke the guidelines I'm sure they'll be dealt with.

I agree with you, the complete minimisation of the current genocide of Palestinians has me flabbergasted too.

Statement from Dutch tv about the incident with Joost