Israeli Eurovision: how low can you go?

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Israeli entry in Eurovision song contest is likely to be a song called 'October Rain' sung by trans-identifying 'Eden 'Golan'.

My previous thread was deleted for pointing this out.

Funny how it is ok to bring up historic events if you are on the pro Israeli government side but don't you dare do the same if you condemn the actions of this far right government. Double standard has always been rife on these threads.
An Israeli minister actually brought up the Nakba himself when he said " We are rolling out the Gaza Nakba 2023".

Which is obviously not even remotely a factual statement.
Please provide evidence for this statement.* *

The far right government of Gaza, Hamas, want the Jewish equivalent of a Nakba. Why are you so ok with that? Why do you only ever pick up on revolting things Israelis say and not when Palestinians say the exact same things but in reverse? Do you never get bored of hypocrisy?

Anyway, this thread is meant to be about Eurovision. So is anyone else revolted by how much online support Joost is getting online?? Why are people supporting someone accused of threatening to harm a woman? Is that really something worthy of support?!

Remember my previous reply to you with a screenshot of something Martin Griffiths said? Maybe try reading that. The UN doesn't recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation but instead as a political player. If you have a problem with that, feel free to take it up with the UN 👍🏻

I suppose your sticking point is going to be that you never actually made that statement. You just implied it. You're not quite brave enough to actually put it in words, instead you make others say things for you and then you agree or disagree, usually in a rude and sarcastic manner.

I simply responded to a poster who tried to undermine Italy’s support of Eden Golan (and of Israel) by labelling them “far right, a bit like Israel”.

”Far right” is always thrown around on this board as an insult, and a tactic to completely invalidate someone’s views and opinions, but is NEVER used to factually describe Hamas, who are just about as far right as you could possibly get. That poster predictably came back to me with an “educate yourself” type comment that Hamas cannot be discussed in that context as they are not a far right political group, because they are just a terrorist organisation (the very same logic which is used to absolve Hamas from the consequences of their actions on 7 October).

I said that it depends on who you ask because I have, however, educated myself, and frighteningly, there are many countries, not just Turkey, who don’t actually consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation. The UN don’t even consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation.

@sunnydaysanddaydreams This is not my opinion, just a factual statement.

The things at Eurovision don’t seem to be as happy. And jolly as they should be

in the last few days we’ve seen several protests on the streets and several singers feeling not comfortable

yesterdsy we have what happened with joost (media is now saying it was threats and not physical ) , members of the Netherlands group , Bambie from Ireland and Spanish journalist being harassed. For a festival that says it’s non political and all about music, it seems to be all political and nothing about music.

This is so condescending.

The Western view of the world is not the ONLY view of the world. It’s a bit arrogant to assume that just because Europe considers Hamas to be a terrorist organisation, that everyone considers Hamas to be a terrorist organisation. Many countries do consider Hamas to be a recognised party and justified in their actions. Easy stuff to understand.

Hamas being a recognised party isn’t the kind of world I want to live in, but it is the kind of world I live in. It’s scary to think that there are countries and Governments in the world who do not consider a group like Hamas to be terrorists, but it is really important to face that reality.

Just waiting for you to find out that democracy isn’t the only form of Government…

Joost has been disqualified.

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/statement-dutch-participation-eurovision-song-contest

"We would like to make it clear that, contrary to some media reports and social media speculation, this incident did not involve any other performer or delegation member."

I think you’ll find she brought up the holocaust cos that was recent wasn’t it hence my response. Have a read.

Just waiting for you to find out that democracy isn’t the only form of Government…
You accuse me of being condescending and then you write this. Do as you preach, please.
The Western view of the world is not the ONLY view of the world.
Very arrogant of you to assume that how I see the world.

Thanks @Humdingerydoo I’ve reported my post from yesterday as it seems it wasn’t real. Apologies to those that got offended by it

Maybe try clicking on "show quote history" and "have a read".

This 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 the double standards of the Israeli supporters. It’s ok for them to remind us of the holocaust year I year out like they are the only nation that have suffered yet they are murdering innocent men, women and children at this precise moment. The hypocrisy.

I brought up the Holocaust as one of the reasons why Eden Golan might choose to do military service even if she disagreed with some of Israel's choices during the war. Of course, I have no idea of her opinions on either the war or her military service - it was just to show that it isn't black and white regardless of a person's political opinions.

I didn't use the Holocaust to justify any of Israel's actions.

So yes, it was you you brought 'whataboutery' into the discussion.

Honestly, this thread is awful. Can we go back to talking about Eurovision now? I'm worried about how tonight will go. Those prone to conspiracy theories are still blaming Israel for Joost being disqualified. Once again Israel have lost the social media war. I'm worried about how that will be played out tonight.

O. M. G

I know, imagine someone having a problem with people ensuring the Holocaust is never forgotten 🙈

It's the complete minimisation that has me flabbergasted.

Yes it is flabbergasting and maybe you'll understand then why so many of us are flabbergasted by posters who continually minimise the current conflict in Gaza. The only conclusion I can draw is that those posters just hate Palestinians because I cannot understand how any person could not be shocked by the death of 14,000 innocent children in 6 months, that is without listing every other atrocity in the Gaza. That figure alone on a mums website should never ever be justified or minimised.
I am sure people will come back and say but they are shocked by it BUT. There shouldn't be a but anything 14,000 dead children should not happen in 2024

It's more that some Israeli citizens are considered people and others aren't, either by the state or a large section of the population. Or that about 4 million aren't even regarded as citizens.

I mean, you've just disregarded 5 million of them in your post.

Anyway, this thread is meant to be about Eurovision. So is anyone else revolted by how much online support Joost is getting online?? Why are people supporting someone accused of threatening to harm a woman? Is that really something worthy of support?!

That doesn't seem to be what happened glad we didn't start posting how revolted we were before we knew the facts...

Who do you mean by "them"?

Very many nationalities suffered during the holocaust....the state of Israel didn't even exist during the holocaust. There are Jews all over the world whose relatives were murdered in the holocaust. Not just Israelis.

So what do you mean?

Is it not? So what happened?