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AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:23

KestrelMoon · 13/03/2024 19:20

“Celebrating something” as in Ramadan? Ramadan is like bonfire night, or new years or 4th of July….fireworks are ubiquitous.

Edited

Maybe that I didn't want to claim what they were celebrating who knows. Fireworks might be a celebration?

KestrelMoon · 13/03/2024 19:27

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:23

Maybe that I didn't want to claim what they were celebrating who knows. Fireworks might be a celebration?

Yea, I was answering that if it was a celebration, it is likely Ramadan as fireworks are very common form of celebration and we are in Ramadan.

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:28

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:19

Is west bank at war ?

No you know they aren't. However I imagine with a war going on close by, people/soldiers are jumpy.

Party fireworks for Ramadan or a birthday or any other reason near soldiers might be worth careful consideration? A child died. Maybe they thought an attack was likely with fireworks etc who knows, ask the soldiers.

SpryAmberSeal · 13/03/2024 19:31

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:28

No you know they aren't. However I imagine with a war going on close by, people/soldiers are jumpy.

Party fireworks for Ramadan or a birthday or any other reason near soldiers might be worth careful consideration? A child died. Maybe they thought an attack was likely with fireworks etc who knows, ask the soldiers.

A child was killed, he didn't die. He was shot and killed.

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:36

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:28

No you know they aren't. However I imagine with a war going on close by, people/soldiers are jumpy.

Party fireworks for Ramadan or a birthday or any other reason near soldiers might be worth careful consideration? A child died. Maybe they thought an attack was likely with fireworks etc who knows, ask the soldiers.

You were the one saying
Maybe during a war keep fireworks away from children near soldiers?

so I assumed WB was at war from your comment.
Should polish don’t throw fireworks as there is a war nearby and maybe soldiers panic and kill them?

would you expect British kids to be killed as well when they’ve got fireworks if anyone from the defence forces are nearby?

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:41

SpryAmberSeal · 13/03/2024 19:31

A child was killed, he didn't die. He was shot and killed.

Yes I know. A 13 year old boy was shot whilst playing with fireworks. He died. Maybe the soldiers felt threatened, fireworks, noise, lights, associated with weapons. Maybe they are evil and just shot him as an excuse. That seems to be the usual take. We don't know. In any event a 13 year old boy is now dead.

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:44

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:41

Yes I know. A 13 year old boy was shot whilst playing with fireworks. He died. Maybe the soldiers felt threatened, fireworks, noise, lights, associated with weapons. Maybe they are evil and just shot him as an excuse. That seems to be the usual take. We don't know. In any event a 13 year old boy is now dead.

Would you be happy if police killed kids in the country where you live if they feel threatened

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:45

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:36

You were the one saying
Maybe during a war keep fireworks away from children near soldiers?

so I assumed WB was at war from your comment.
Should polish don’t throw fireworks as there is a war nearby and maybe soldiers panic and kill them?

would you expect British kids to be killed as well when they’ve got fireworks if anyone from the defence forces are nearby?

Oh dear.

I wonder why Israeli soldiers might be on higher alert in The West bank than soldiers here. Who knows. I'm sure you can hazard a couple of guesses.

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:46

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:44

Would you be happy if police killed kids in the country where you live if they feel threatened

I'm not sure making comparisons between the UK and Israel and The West Bank or Gaza is particularly useful.

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:49

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:46

I'm not sure making comparisons between the UK and Israel and The West Bank or Gaza is particularly useful.

so because they’re at “war” it’s ok to kill children , is that what you’re saying. Or that they’re sadly side effects of the “war”

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:55

Video taken by Gazan resident showing aid being stolen @EasterIssland a few links from various sources since you asked.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/video-shows-gunmen-stealing-from-aid-trucks-shooting-at-gaza-civilians/

Dulra · 13/03/2024 19:55

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:45

Oh dear.

I wonder why Israeli soldiers might be on higher alert in The West bank than soldiers here. Who knows. I'm sure you can hazard a couple of guesses.

The British army managed not to shoot and kill the many kids throwing petrol bombs at them in NI during extremely high alert and tense circumstances shame the most moral army in the world can't manage it and playing with fireworks is very different to throwing petrol bombs at soldiers.
Keep going with your excuses for shooting dead children if you want but no one is buying it

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:55

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:49

so because they’re at “war” it’s ok to kill children , is that what you’re saying. Or that they’re sadly side effects of the “war”

I never said it was ok.

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 19:57

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:55

Video taken by Gazan resident showing aid being stolen @EasterIssland a few links from various sources since you asked.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/video-shows-gunmen-stealing-from-aid-trucks-shooting-at-gaza-civilians/

Yes I’m aware about this video. Yet Israel has still not provided the information to US that proofs that they’re Hamas members stealing aid (as per my link before)

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:59

Dulra · 13/03/2024 19:55

The British army managed not to shoot and kill the many kids throwing petrol bombs at them in NI during extremely high alert and tense circumstances shame the most moral army in the world can't manage it and playing with fireworks is very different to throwing petrol bombs at soldiers.
Keep going with your excuses for shooting dead children if you want but no one is buying it

Incorrect. Children were sadly killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/stories-of-children-killed-in-the-troubles-to-be-told-to-mps#:~:text=The%20stories%20concern%20Damien%20Harkin,and%20Kathleen%20Feeney%2C%2014%2C%20shot

Stories of children killed in the Troubles to be told to MPs

Relatives and friends of the six victims will narrate their stories in a committee room at Portcullis House

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/stories-of-children-killed-in-the-troubles-to-be-told-to-mps#:~:text=The%20stories%20concern%20Damien%20Harkin,and%20Kathleen%20Feeney%2C%2014%2C%20shot

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 20:00

You’re right 8 kids in the whole war. How many Palestinian children have been killed since 2005 by IDF?

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 20:01

Scirocco · 13/03/2024 19:58

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68557035

So, the whole 'facilitating aid to people in Gaza' thing seems to be going well...

It’s clear that Israel wants to be in charge of distributing the aid to Palestinians and this has to be on their terms. The port outside Gaza was Israel’s idea and not Biden

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 20:03

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 20:00

You’re right 8 kids in the whole war. How many Palestinian children have been killed since 2005 by IDF?

I wasn't comparing. I was merely replying to a poster making an incorrect assumption with facts to correct their incorrect assumption.

Dulra · 13/03/2024 20:05

Yes children did die a very small number over 30 years and the article you have quoted includes children killed by terrorists too
They will relate testimonies in storytelling form about how the children were killed by the British army, the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries between 1971 and 1981.

My point still stands that British army personnel did not shoot and kill kids throwing petrol bombs at them. You are using the fact that a 13 year old boy playing with fireworks was the cause of his death by gunfire and don't seem to think that the adult trigger happy soldier bares any responsibility for the child's death

ScrollingLeaves · 13/03/2024 20:12

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 19:52

https://camera-uk.org/2023/12/22/bbc-avoids-the-issue-of-hamas-theft-of-humanitarian-aid/

Maybe this is also made up. Hamas shown on top of aid trucks but bbc didn't wish to share that part of story easier to ignore or avoid.

It might be worth sending that to the BBC in case they can investigate more.
Or perhaps they thought they were guards.

Hamas may be stealing the truck all for themselves or to sell the aid on in the black market; or they may be taking control of the truck to prevent looting as Hamas is the governing authority, and as they like to control Gaza.

AliceA2021 · 13/03/2024 20:18

Dulra · 13/03/2024 20:05

Yes children did die a very small number over 30 years and the article you have quoted includes children killed by terrorists too
They will relate testimonies in storytelling form about how the children were killed by the British army, the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries between 1971 and 1981.

My point still stands that British army personnel did not shoot and kill kids throwing petrol bombs at them. You are using the fact that a 13 year old boy playing with fireworks was the cause of his death by gunfire and don't seem to think that the adult trigger happy soldier bares any responsibility for the child's death

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I never said the soldier bares no responsibility. I suggested some reasons why he might have been shot. Perhaps all the soldiers are evil and quite happily shoot a 13 year old boy with fireworks and didn't have any concerns for safety at all. I don't know anymore than you do. I suggested some reasons why the soldier might have shot him.

Witnesses say he was firing fireworks into the sky near the separation border near his home with other children for Ramadan. Israeli soldier says that he felt endangered.

Parkingt111 · 13/03/2024 20:26

I think what's more alarming is how Ben Gvir immediately came to his defence and even praised his actions of killing the defenceless Palestinian child. But atleast he was called out on it.
Unfortunately the shooting and killing of Palestinian children by heavy handed IDF soldiers is not something new. I would hope and think such an action would go against their code of conduct but I don't hold any hopes that the soldier will face any serious repercussions if I'm honest. They rarely ever do for disproportionate force against Palestinians, even when it leads to a fatality like it did towards this child.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/03/2024 20:26

ScrollingLeaves · 13/03/2024 20:12

It might be worth sending that to the BBC in case they can investigate more.
Or perhaps they thought they were guards.

Hamas may be stealing the truck all for themselves or to sell the aid on in the black market; or they may be taking control of the truck to prevent looting as Hamas is the governing authority, and as they like to control Gaza.

I see that report is from December, so not worth asking the BBC now to look into the report the people on top of the truck were Hamas. They did say people were climbing on top and throwing aid off into the crowds.