Hamas refusing ceasefire??????

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So President Biden is under the impression that a ceasefire could be in place by the weekend ....

Queue celebration (presumably) by all those that march on the streets calling for a ceasefire.

Then we find our Hamas have problems with it!!!!! The same Hamas that are supposed to be acting in their people's intsrests

We now know who really does not want to engage in ceasefire talks and release hostages. We now know who the ire of all those marchers in London should be directed against.

I feel Hamas want this war to continue as is as they are thriving on the sympathy the war is bringing to Palestinians. The more global 'support' is demonstrated the more they feel they have a chance of being part of a post war peace

@lostonmars - rape and horrendous sneak attacks as Hamas conducted do not justify mass punishment of an entire population. Netanyahu an co also know perfectly well that Hamas does not care about the impact on the Palestinian people. His government's actions are an existential threat to the future of Israel - I say these things because I care about Israel and I can't bear for it to be doing this, ostensibly in my name.

@lostonmars I really hope you are not in charge of making big decisions on anything important. Some of your comments on this thread are just diabolical. I’m struggling to understand what point you are actually trying to make.

I continue to find it hard to understand how people can genuinely believe that hamas can be destroyed by destroying gaza.
It is a terrorist organisation, as much an idea as a group of actual people.
The whole place can be destroyed, every last person dead or left. Doesn't mean hamas will be no more.
In fact all that happens is more people grow up hating Israel. They might lay low for a while, but they'll still be there.

Imagine how those of us who have to read them feel.

Good idea. Remove them ASAP. Many of them are absolutely disgusting.

I’m not sure they do believe it, I think they pretend to, in order to justify the total destruction of Gaza and the genocide.

Hamas are a distinct military (albeit terrorist) body and are obviously organised enough to engage in negotiations and to order their fighters to stop or continue fightng. I agree with posters who say that negotiation theory here is the same as any other war and both sides ultimately will only come to a settlement when they feel their goals are met.

The question is why Hamas continue to fight (as they presume there is an advantage to do doing so) if they feel there is a 'genocide'. To my mind that doesn't make sense. Hamas are probably now buried within a concentrated civilian population as a military tactic with the hope of any more civilian casualties acting as political leverage for the international community to put pressure on Israel.

There at would stop quickly in my opinion if there was other governance to Hamas is Gaza and possibly Hamas may become so weakened that there will be internal revolt and a group more inclined to pace may emerge to come to a settlement. I do not know how realistic this is though.

In addition we have had no figures about how many Hamas fighters are included in casualty figures and the press should try and estimate this as it will be a large figure as obviously Hamas are losing as a military force. Figures would emphasise the fact this is an on going war, and it is important to view it as a war with two opposing militaries and ultimately some sort of perhaps negotiated resolution.

What's the difference? Isn't a ceasefire then end of the war??

I don't get it.🙄

Of course Hamas don’t want a ceasefire. The whole point of 7/10 was to provoke a disproportionate reaction from Israel.

Hamas speaks

Not if the ceasefire is temporary.

@Mothercareyschickenhut
Thank you.

So the US are optimistic about a proposal that Hamas has not yet received.

Hamas wants Israel to withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank. For civilians and aid to be allowed back to Northern Gaza.

Ultimately its goal is for Gaza and the West Bank to be united under one government which will be transparently elected by the people. The international community will be allowed to monitor the election process.

Bit different from Israel’s view that Hamas wants to kill all Jews and take over Israel?

Although it certainly looks to me as if Israel is killing thousands of Palestinians and taking over Palestine.

@Snowypeak 'Bit different from Israel’s view that Hamas wants to kill all Jews and take over Israel?'

But that's exactly what Hamas sad they would do !

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That interview was given just over 3 weeks after the attack of 7/10. Hardly when the IDF were "at the peak of bombing". The IDF did not started their attack on Hamas in Gaza until 27/10/23.

And how can anyone sure they won't change their mind again?

Israel response to Oct 7
Eh? The IDF didn’t start attacking in Gaza till 27th Oct???

Think you need to read back on this.

Gazan civilians and children were being bombed and killed in large numbers almost immediately.

Cut the whitewashing!!

From Wikipedia

'On the evening of 27 October 2023, Israel launched a large-scale invasion of the Gaza Strip, with the stated goals of eliminating and destroying Hamas, a military and political movement which led an attack against Israel earlier in October, and to free hostages taken by Hamas.'

Did you read my link?

Or you can look at the numerous other reports, images, videos and stories everywhere you look online.

The bombing of innocent civilians and children was well under way well before Oct 27th.

More from Wikipedia,

On 13 October 2023, the IDF sent armoured vehicles and infantry into the Gaza Strip, stating that their goals were to attack Hamas militants and to rescue hostages that had been abducted to Gaza by Hamas. The operation, according to Israeli officials, was not part of a larger and widely anticipated ground invasion, but rather a raid in which troops only temporarily enter the Gaza Strip. The IDF confirmed the same day that Israeli remains were located and retrieved in the Gaza Strip.[84]

On 21 October 2023, the Israeli army dropped more leaflets in Gaza with the message: "Urgent warning! To the residents of Gaza: your presence to the North of Wadi Gaza is putting your lives at risk. Anyone who chooses not to evacuate from the North of the Gaza Strip to the South of the Gaza Strip may be identified as a partner in a terrorist organization."

On the evening of 27 October, the IDF launched a large-scale ground assault on the towns of Beit Hanoun and Bureij in the Gaza Strip.

I don’t think either side wants a ceasefire. I hate the butchers of Hamas as much as I despise the murderous Israeli leaders.

As I said at the very beginning of this conflict, nobody in power gives a shit about the ordinary Palestinian people.

That was the ground invasion / attack but the air strikes started few days after 7/10 didn’t they?

But... I though Hamas were okay actually and only pretending to hate Jews because they were all emosh?