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Uk politicians position about the war

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EasterIssland · 31/01/2024 18:28

I’ve read that in the last few days Starmer is concerned about the Muslim people not voting labour cuz of his position

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

do you think this will have an impact on this years general elections ? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes

Labour acts on fears Muslims will not vote for party over Gaza stance | Labour | The Guardian

Exclusive: Party launches outreach effort amid concerns it is losing support of normally loyal voters

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

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EasternStandard · 21/02/2024 21:17

I listened earlier

Why on earth Labour had to be saved by the speaker who knows

EasterIssland · 21/02/2024 21:21

Wonder what that visit was about

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/21/how-keir-starmer-averted-gaza-ceasefire-vote-crisis

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EasternStandard · 21/02/2024 21:28

The SNP were great, really angry

Starmer is a grade A avoiding a hole on this

Can’t believe he manipulated the speaker - he got it very wrong

EasterIssland · 21/02/2024 21:31

EasternStandard · 21/02/2024 21:28

The SNP were great, really angry

Starmer is a grade A avoiding a hole on this

Can’t believe he manipulated the speaker - he got it very wrong

he might have tried to save his ass … by making things worse for him and his party. He’s accusing conservatives and snp to hijacked day that should have been about Gaza with their behaviour… but if what the speaker was wrong and was pressured to do so by him … then he’s the ones that has ruined what should have been about Gaza … and he’s the one that is getting the bad press

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1dayatatime · 21/02/2024 22:15

@EasterIssland

"Yeah that’s what I meant by “? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes”
if he went too pro Palestine against Israel they’ll lose Jewish / pro Israel supporters

and with the opposite they’ll lose Muslims / pro Palestine voters. He won’t be able to win votes from both options"

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The same applies to other topics as well especially where one side is more vocal so for example supporting the vocal pro transgender rights lobby / protests will gain votes from that group but lose votes from women who quietly don't agree with them. Supporting the vocal Just stop oil protests will gain votes from the more radical environmentalists but lose more votes from people who just want to get to work or afford to travel.

So many politicians see the louder shouting voices as the ones to back, perhaps because they come from a highly politicised background themselves. They fail to see that if you support group A then you lose votes from Group B.

Most voters are simply interested in the economy, the cost of living and the NHS and education. The political candidate that ignores this will forever be a candidate and not a politician.

EasternStandard · 21/02/2024 22:23

EasterIssland · 21/02/2024 21:31

he might have tried to save his ass … by making things worse for him and his party. He’s accusing conservatives and snp to hijacked day that should have been about Gaza with their behaviour… but if what the speaker was wrong and was pressured to do so by him … then he’s the ones that has ruined what should have been about Gaza … and he’s the one that is getting the bad press

I hope he gets it back in spades

What an absolute manipulator

EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 11:23

50 MPs call for Lindsay Hoyle to quit as Speaker after Gaza vote chaos

hoyle might have ended his career as he was trying to save starmers ass

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EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 11:26

EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 11:23

50 MPs call for Lindsay Hoyle to quit as Speaker after Gaza vote chaos

hoyle might have ended his career as he was trying to save starmers ass

Starmer will probably lose Hoyle his job

And yep because he couldn’t face his own party fracture and rebellion

A leader so unable to deal with a issue that it comes to this is problematic

Februaryfeels · 22/02/2024 12:27

EasternStandard · 21/02/2024 21:28

The SNP were great, really angry

Starmer is a grade A avoiding a hole on this

Can’t believe he manipulated the speaker - he got it very wrong

The SNP were great?

The sooner that shower of arseholes are boted out, the better.

inkworks273 · 22/02/2024 12:31

EasternStandard · 21/02/2024 21:28

The SNP were great, really angry

Starmer is a grade A avoiding a hole on this

Can’t believe he manipulated the speaker - he got it very wrong

They'll certainly get my vote.

BelleHathor · 22/02/2024 13:24

Interesting Tweet and delete by a Keir Starmer staffer (who may have mistaken Twitter for WhatsApp).

Listening to the House of commons today some MPs are trying to frame it as Hoyle made a "mistake" due to his fear for MPs safety. Obviously a narrative shift to blame it on "protesters" threats.

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1760645046947188973?s=20

Uk politicians position about the war
EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 13:27

BelleHathor · 22/02/2024 13:24

Interesting Tweet and delete by a Keir Starmer staffer (who may have mistaken Twitter for WhatsApp).

Listening to the House of commons today some MPs are trying to frame it as Hoyle made a "mistake" due to his fear for MPs safety. Obviously a narrative shift to blame it on "protesters" threats.

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1760645046947188973?s=20

lol well spotted they are in it up to their necks

Of course it was to pull a fast one

PeasfullPerson · 22/02/2024 16:49

It’s all very embarrassing. I hope they sort this out soon and all leaders make a statement on the war in Gaza.

EasterIssland · 23/02/2024 16:22

My mp has replied me back about the request I did a week ago for her to vote yes in SNPs vote
her reply is sickening and mainly propaganda about how amazing labour is.

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Offwiththecircus · 24/02/2024 14:53

EasterIssland · 23/02/2024 16:22

My mp has replied me back about the request I did a week ago for her to vote yes in SNPs vote
her reply is sickening and mainly propaganda about how amazing labour is.

Can you name her and quote it (wihout your name obvs)? - surely ok since effectively a public statement.

EasterIssland · 24/02/2024 14:57

Offwiththecircus · 24/02/2024 14:53

Can you name her and quote it (wihout your name obvs)? - surely ok since effectively a public statement.

This is part of her propaganda
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Thanks to Labour, the British Parliament has now passed a motion calling for an immediate ceasefire, opposing any ground offensive in Rafah, criticising settler violence in the West Bank, endorsing the ICJ’s provisional orders and supporting Palestinian statehood. This is a major step forward.
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thanks to labour ? 🤔 there is also a part where she criticises the tories. She’s in election mode.

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inkworks273 · 24/02/2024 21:28

x.com/hotspothotspot/status/1761423671791407269?s=46

"DNC in panic mode: Corporate media stunned to watch 5 Michigan voters turn on Joe Biden in front of her eyes

"We are not stupid enough to elect you again!"

“I’m willing to punish Biden”

"You cannot keep killing people with our money and keep thinking that we are stupid enough to elect you again.""

Interesting video. I wonder how many people in the UK feel the same way about Keir Starmer.

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2024 23:20

5 voters? damn!

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25milesfromhome · 25/02/2024 18:54

This kind of lobbying isn’t exactly unique to Israel or Labour. Amongst other lobbying from countries in the MENA region, Qatar is the fourth biggest donor to UK MPS since 2019, including, amongst other donations from Qatari govt organisations, nearly £250,000 from the Qatar Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A long and informative article:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-qatar-israel-dubai-middle-east-donations-mps

Qatar, Dubai speeches and Israel trips: Middle East donations to UK MPs

New database highlights extent of MENA 'gifts and benefits' to British lawmakers

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-qatar-israel-dubai-middle-east-donations-mps

EasterIssland · 27/02/2024 06:35

🤔

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EasterIssland · 01/03/2024 10:59

PeasfullPerson · 01/03/2024 10:38

A link to the letter mentioned in the article above.

39 of the 200 MPs that have signed are from the UK. Names at the bottom of the letter. Might be worth politely lobbying your own if they aren’t on there.

https://progressive.international/wire/2024-03-01-we-will-not-be-complicit-in-israels-grave-violation-of-international-law/en

What a surprise that my MP isn’t in there despite last week she was telling me how amazing her party was and that thanks to her they had requested a ceasefire and humanitarian aid for Gaza

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