Uk politicians position about the war

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I’ve read that in the last few days Starmer is concerned about the Muslim people not voting labour cuz of his position

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

do you think this will have an impact on this years general elections ? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes

They will lose some but others like me will be reassured and more likely to vote labour. There is no strong polling evidence that I've seen that foreign policy issues in general & this in particular will outweigh the key determinants in the election, which are primarily economy, housing nhs etc.

Starmer ought to be worried about all sorts of demographics - including people like myself: white, atheist, high-earner (though born working class), corporate executive for a living. The sort of person who would, technically, probably stand to personally benefit from Tory economic policies, but has been a long-standing Labour voter on the grounds that I value economic justice over my immediate personal gain.

I would never vote for that man now!

And this is not even a "Palestine only" issue: what Starmer has done to Labour on economic issues makes Blair look like bloody Karl Marx himself!

By framing Palestine as a "Muslim" issue, and by generally being oblivious to a number of issues, he is simply showing how utterly out of touch he is.

I mean, with all due respect: I would never vote for the Torys - but voting for Labour under Starmer is "basically the same thing - except you also need to lie to yourself about what you are endorsing".

This is, regrettably, going to be a "Greens, if they manage to come up with something I can get behind beyond climate, or spoiled ballot" for me!

Most people I know who would have voted Labour will vote Green. Starmer's apparent endorsement of with holding food and water from children in Gaza was a massive blunder. He also seems to be perceived as too much like the Conservatives. I don't know whether these voters are a tiny minority or actually significant however.

Same!

Know lots of people like this. They are all voting Labour.

Yeah that’s what I meant by “? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes”
if he went too pro Palestine against Israel they’ll lose Jewish / pro Israel supporters

and with the opposite they’ll lose Muslims / pro Palestine voters. He won’t be able to win votes from both options

So do you think the Muslim vote is going to go to the Tories instead? Supporting Israel, cutting funds to UNRWA etc.?

It's looking a bit like the USA - there isn't a best candidate, only a "least bad".

He may not actively gain/lose from both options but it wont be a deciding factor in the way the vast majority vote. All sorts of people will be saying stuff now while its a hot topic thst everyone has to have a view on but in a few months when they are in a voting both and deciding between the party that put an extra 1k on their mortgage, and tbe party that has the confidence of the markets it wont be hard to vote labour for most people.

Personally, I genuinely think his Tory-like economic policies will hurt him more.

And it might not necessarily be a "people will vote Tory instead" thing - more of a "will vote 3rd party - or just simply not vote at all" type of situation!

I genuinely probably would go ahead and, out of principle (because these are my friends and family, so, yes, it is personal!) vote for any party that was a) pro-Palestinian, and b) not otherwise in direct conflict with any of my other core values.

But also: Starmer did not have me excited even before this! Yes, Palestine (specifically the starving and thirsting out comment) has taken me from "meh" to "I might just prefer dropping dead over giving you my vote" - but I was already completely "meh" and utterly unexcited about him to begin with! I am usually an "economics" voter and was not keen on his "basically the Tories, but we will try and make it look a little nicer" spiel. If I am going to vote tory (which I would never), I will totally go ahead and vote for the OG, not the ASDA house brand copycat version!

You know there are more parties than tories and labour? I’m not allowed to vote and I even know that!

@HeidiInTheBigCity If you lean left the Greens are committed on social housing, healthcare and education. I live in an area which is keen on the environment and community and our local councillors are great. I agree Starmer was not inspiring to start with, for me. He seems in lockstep with the Tories and I am afraid nothing will change under him, it will be more of the same. I'm not sure who to vote for, but neither of our two main parties, I suspect.

It might not be the deciding factor but labour is starting to worry about this and how it can impact them hence why it’s in the news

I'm in Scotland so I would never vote Tory. Usually I'd either vote Labour or SNP. This time it will be either SNP or Greens. I will never vote for Labour again as long as Starmer is leader. His position on Palestine is disgusting.

Its such a luxury to vote for a smaller party & risk the tories getting back in. No other party but Labour can form a government but you all clearly are in a position where you can ride it out. Lucky you! People on nhs waitings list, living in poor housing, in depressed areas, working for local authorities going bankrupt, cant afford such a luxury.

I’m in the luxury position where I can’t even vote as ive no right to and depend on what the rest of citizens of this country decide for me. Lucky me!

Explain to me how Starmer is not essentially a Tory on economic terms, and I will be open to listen!

No "we hate poor people, too, but we make it sound nicer!" bullshit - on substance!

To quote from an April 2023 article in the Guardian:

No one knows what Sir Keir or his party clearly stand for – apart from attacking its left flank. Labour’s strongest cards are on the NHS, public services and inequality. Yet there is no coherent strategy that plays to those strengths.

I do not see how any of this - again, no window dressing, ON SUBSTANCE!, is any different now. Except: I would now also have to deal with a PM who think starving and thirsting people out it actually sort of okay if the right party is doing it.

Give me vision or expect me to abandon you!

Im so fucking pissed off at all of our politicians stance and behaviour about the Middle East. Not only are they quite comfortable with a genocide, but are also engaging in war mongering and escalation. Not in my bloody name 😡

However at the next election the most important thing for our Country is to get the Tories out. For me personally I have to vote Lib Dem to get our local Tory twat out - tactical voting.

@SharonEllis Well, if he and probably some others in his party, are OK with starving children in Gaza, I don't believe they will give a monkey's about the hungry children in the UK either. I wish I believed they care. I've seen nothing from them to show they will do anything to help the poor in this country. Starmer believes the struggles of the working class are limited to wanting a holiday each year or running a car. Honestly, I don't think he realises the amount of people who rely on food banks or are homeless.

I can understand that, if you live within a "marginal seat" constituency ... seeing as mine is a "less likely to turn away from anything other than Tory than me being made Queen by the way of public acclaim" seat, I might as well spoil my ballot or vote for Dolly the clone sheep !

I would never not vote at all - but I am really a) never getting anything else than "whomever the Tories decide to run", and I will sure as hell not waste a protest vote on "okay, lemme go with basically also the Tories, but they use another colour scheme"!

Don’t forget younger people - who are active on platforms like TikTok. They may be less likely to vote. This issue is all over TikTok- I am told.

It's really the least worst option. I used to be Labour/lib Dem in those heady days when economic/social justice was top of our priorities. Now we have girls and women's safety and rights, wars, Europe, China etc etc to worry about.
Sadly I think it's Tory for me which is really through gritted teeth but the most fundamental risk for us is my family's safety.

Ugh its such a mess.
He is in a difficult position because he's only just started to shake off the "Labour are antisemitic" issues, so will be really concerned about reopening that can of worms.
I wish a party would come along that was more critical of the Israeli government but I can't see it happening

What genocide?
The only party promising genocide is Hamas.