Uk politicians position about the war

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I’ve read that in the last few days Starmer is concerned about the Muslim people not voting labour cuz of his position

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

do you think this will have an impact on this years general elections ? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes

Quite possibly!

I'm not really into social media much - proud owner of "abandoned Facebook account, which I only keep because I message people on there", a LinkedIn, and a Twitter both for "professional reasons, I post how supposedly excited I am about how my employer and I are going to leverage AI and the Cloud to revolutionise ... [insert: total bullshit; stuff you say because it's good for business - also: I could not be less excited. This is my job!] ...".

But, yes, I do realise that social media lean "more radical" than the BBC & Co.

Israel denies vociferously but their actions say differently.

I wrote to my Labour MP regarding the killing of Gazan citizens by the Israeli government and didn't even receive a reply.

Is your MP the representative for Gaza?

I doubt many Muslims will vote Labour now. They may pick up votes elsewhere though.

Then why the news about labour being worried about starmer losing the vote ?

what a stupid question. Seems like it As they’re the ones that have decided to stop sending aid to Gaza. Also are the ones deciding not to stop providing weapons

I can't even imagine what it's like for UK voters at the moment. I'm in Ireland where every political party agrees that what's happening in Gaza is indefensible and they are all openly criticizing Israel. Most public opinion goes further in favour of the Palestinians and for example people are very cross that politicians are going to America for St Patrick's Day to meet Genocide Joe.

Because everyone's on the same page here it isn't really an election issue. I can't imagine trying to figure out how to vote in the UK or US where everyone's on the same page in favour of Genocide. Brutal.

Presumably because losing the backing of any defined group is detrimental to a campaign

In my opinion and experience the majority of people tend to vote on issues that directly affect them and for the party that they feel will directly benefit them. They also tend to vote on local issues more than national. I am not sure the stance a party takes on an international conflict in the middle east will change how people vote to have any significant impact on general election results

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/trust-is-lost-muslim-voters-unhappy-with-labour-stance-on-gaza-war

An opinion poll carried out in November by Savanta found strong support for Labour among Muslim voters, with 64% backing the party. But more than 40% said Keir Starmer's response to the war had made them less likely to vote Labour, while 20% said it had made them more likely to do so

Starmer's stance on this has definitely made me less likely to vote for him, but then his stance on this is in-line with a certain lilly livered approach on so many other issues. I fear he's rather crippled himself/tied himself in knots after his relentless purging/demonising of so many decent labour members. For all I know the poor sod has tortured dreams about purging himself.
So though a natural labour voter i may have to vote Green. It definitely won't be Tory.

He hasn't purged decent members - such hyperbole. The disciplinary procedure is independent of the leader but the leadership set the course that antisemites were no longer welcome, nor were people who were activists against thd party. And good riddance

Starmer has never looked like a particularly strong leader to me...

For what it's worth our choice is really between Tory and SNP

While this subject is all consuming for some posters, in real life it's a low priority for headspace

I think the stance taken by our first minister who has in laws in Gaza has turned a lot of people OFF the SNP

So it will be interesting to see how that is reflected in election results

@hogmanayhoolie Do you think independence will be a big factor in voting? Not sure how much support it has in Scotland.

Yes it always does influence votes although we've already had our "once in a generation" referendum

The core manifesto of the SNP is for independence but unfortunately they are inept at actually running a country

Add in the current outrage over Hume's Yousef's personal involvement in Gaza (and the covid enquiry with Sturgeon) is turning many people off them

@hogmanayhoolie Yes, Sturgeon is an issue too. I'm not a fan of the Tories, especially since Covid, brexit, austerity, but seems like none of us have much choice of party. Well, I wish Scotland the very best - it's a beautiful place with lovely people.

Scottish pm has got in laws from Palestine. Starmer has got a Jewish wife and relatives in Israel.
I think both will attract /turned people off by their actions that might have been affected by their private life

Folk on this thread are clearly not representative of mainstream opinion when you look at the opinion polls.

Labour are landing in the right place on the right issues to build a big enough centre left coalition to secure large parliamentary majority.

@hogmanayhoolie

"I think the stance taken by our first minister who has in laws in Gaza has turned a lot of people OFF the SNP"

I feel like the type of people turned off by that wouldn't have voted SNP in the first place.

You're probably right, based on my experience of their voters

I'm not aware of Keir Starmer sending money to Gaza though, OP

The SNP issue is not just about the family, it's about prioritising and funding

Those suggesting this conflict is going to lose Muslim votes are suggesting a split along religious lines....