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Conflict in the Middle East

Uk politicians position about the war

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EasterIssland · 31/01/2024 18:28

I’ve read that in the last few days Starmer is concerned about the Muslim people not voting labour cuz of his position

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

do you think this will have an impact on this years general elections ? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes

Labour acts on fears Muslims will not vote for party over Gaza stance | Labour | The Guardian

Exclusive: Party launches outreach effort amid concerns it is losing support of normally loyal voters

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

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AdamRyan · 05/07/2024 23:31

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 23:27

I'm aware hamas are moaning they're losing a war they started and it doesn't make them vcitms.

I'm waiting for you to tell me the other conflicts you're aware of that you wish the government to intervene in that you mentioned earlier? Well? Come on?

We actually bombed Iraq and Afghanistan - our own armed forces did it and I didn't see the same level or outrage about that. Or do they not matter?

Why on earth are you doing "whataboutery" on a war causing millions of children to die and over 80% of the population to be displaced?
How about you do an equivalent conflict causing displacement?

FWIW my answer would be Ukraine. I wish the West had been more no tolerance when Russia invaded in 2014

EasterIssland · 05/07/2024 23:32

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 23:27

I'm aware hamas are moaning they're losing a war they started and it doesn't make them vcitms.

I'm waiting for you to tell me the other conflicts you're aware of that you wish the government to intervene in that you mentioned earlier? Well? Come on?

We actually bombed Iraq and Afghanistan - our own armed forces did it and I didn't see the same level or outrage about that. Or do they not matter?

I’m Spanish , I used to demo every Saturday against the war Blair , bush and Aznar brought us into.

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Scirocco · 05/07/2024 23:53

AdamRyan · 05/07/2024 23:31

Why on earth are you doing "whataboutery" on a war causing millions of children to die and over 80% of the population to be displaced?
How about you do an equivalent conflict causing displacement?

FWIW my answer would be Ukraine. I wish the West had been more no tolerance when Russia invaded in 2014

Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen, Syria... So many others. There are so many ways in which countries like the UK could have contributed to finding routes to peace and protecting innocent lives. If a country wants to be a global power on the international stage, they really should use that power for humanitarian purposes rather than just to fulfil greed.

MissyB1 · 06/07/2024 08:19

HowIrresponsible · 05/07/2024 23:27

I'm aware hamas are moaning they're losing a war they started and it doesn't make them vcitms.

I'm waiting for you to tell me the other conflicts you're aware of that you wish the government to intervene in that you mentioned earlier? Well? Come on?

We actually bombed Iraq and Afghanistan - our own armed forces did it and I didn't see the same level or outrage about that. Or do they not matter?

How did you totally miss the point so spectacularly? Our Government have intervened in the Gaza conflict by supporting Israel's actions, that support needs to be withdrawn. And there definitely was plenty of outrage about the Gulf war and Afghanistan, perhaps you weren't interested in that?

PeasfullPerson · 06/07/2024 09:50

They have also intervened by taking action to delay an arrest warrant being issued by the ICC for Netanyahu, the man who is ultimately responsible, for the response that has displaced 95% of Gaza, and led to the death of thousands of innocent children.

It is our governments support for this action that people protest.

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 14:18

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-uk-foreign-secretary-lammy-backs-immediate-ceasefire-hostage-release-in-gaza/amp/

New UK Foreign Secretary Lammy backs ‘immediate ceasefire,’ hostage release in Gaza

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Oystercavity · 06/07/2024 15:52

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Oystercavity · 06/07/2024 16:00

The UK is a minor player on the world stage so this is likely to be effective as a water pistol against a tiger

Parkingt111 · 06/07/2024 16:16

Oystercavity · 06/07/2024 16:00

The UK is a minor player on the world stage so this is likely to be effective as a water pistol against a tiger

Why is your response so negative? Surely backing a ceasefire that sees the end to fighting and hostages released a positive step forward.
Is Israel not backing the ceasefire plan put forward by Biden?
From what I have read there has been a breakthrough in recent days, which is the first ray of hope in a very long time for many.

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EasterIssland · 08/07/2024 22:50

Starmer has been in government 3 days and has already condemned the attack on children. He’s receiving loads of backlash for only condemning the killing on some children and not others.

Uk politicians position about the war
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EasterIssland · 08/07/2024 22:58

It doesn’t allow me editing already. I was going to say that humzas tweet is critising the sell of weapons to Israel. Hopefully starmer will stop that now that he’s in power.
the backlash for not condemning other deaths is on twitter and o. The reply to starmers tweet

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AhNowTed · 08/07/2024 23:08

EasterIssland · 08/07/2024 22:58

It doesn’t allow me editing already. I was going to say that humzas tweet is critising the sell of weapons to Israel. Hopefully starmer will stop that now that he’s in power.
the backlash for not condemning other deaths is on twitter and o. The reply to starmers tweet

Don't worry, got the gist :)

BelleHathor · 08/07/2024 23:23

EasterIssland · 08/07/2024 22:50

Starmer has been in government 3 days and has already condemned the attack on children. He’s receiving loads of backlash for only condemning the killing on some children and not others.

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1810258543552942240

It was beautiful to witness, people are full of righteous indignation and are rightfully holding him to account. Keir has always been an establishment tool and displayed it nakedly by showing support for the War the empire supports, whilst dithering over Palestine.

x.com

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1810258543552942240

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 18:17

It takes a special sort of person to hijack a recognition of the horror of russia bombing hospitals in Ukraine to bang the "free free Palestine" drum.

What about, what about, what about. Pathetic.

EasterIssland · 09/07/2024 18:22

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 18:17

It takes a special sort of person to hijack a recognition of the horror of russia bombing hospitals in Ukraine to bang the "free free Palestine" drum.

What about, what about, what about. Pathetic.

It takes a special sort of person to realise that if you’re the PM of a country you’ve to condemn every type of killing of children. Not only those that aren’t killed by your weapons. If you don’t want to be called anti-xxx then stop selling weapons that could be used in war crimes and condemn any attack on innocent civilians.
im sorry for you the killing of children in Palestine is only free Palestine drum drum.

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MissyB1 · 09/07/2024 18:27

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 18:17

It takes a special sort of person to hijack a recognition of the horror of russia bombing hospitals in Ukraine to bang the "free free Palestine" drum.

What about, what about, what about. Pathetic.

Eugh.. It sounds like you don't think Palestinian children's lives are worth as much as Ukrainian children's.

Scirocco · 09/07/2024 18:28

Children in Ukraine deserve to be safe from Russian bombs and guns.

Children in Palestine deserve to be safe from Israeli bombs and guns.

Dulra · 09/07/2024 18:39

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 18:17

It takes a special sort of person to hijack a recognition of the horror of russia bombing hospitals in Ukraine to bang the "free free Palestine" drum.

What about, what about, what about. Pathetic.

It is absolutely the right time to highlight the hypocrisy and remind the newly elected prime minister that arms, from the country he is now governing, sold to Israel are killing innocent children.

It takes a special sort of person to equate killing innocent Palestinian children to some kind of bang of the drum chant.

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 19:07

Eugh?

Sometimes, just sometimes, it's not about Gaza.

His post was about Ukraine. It was cringey watching all the virtual signallers attempting a pile on.

EasterIssland · 09/07/2024 19:11

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 19:07

Eugh?

Sometimes, just sometimes, it's not about Gaza.

His post was about Ukraine. It was cringey watching all the virtual signallers attempting a pile on.

Can’t wait for the time that it’s gazas turn for starmer.

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wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 19:42

So let me get this straight

Sir Keir Starmer denounces the Russian attacks on Ukrainians.

He should have added a ps and listed all the other killings he denounces. Just to satisfy the frothers because for forbid he should not mention Gaza in a tweet about Ukraine.

By all means "hold him to account" (if you're British) but FFS let the grief over Ukrainians murders be expressed without the whataboutism

Scirocco · 09/07/2024 19:58

I have no issue with, and in fact fully agree with, unequivocal condemnation of the horrendous acts taking place in Ukraine by Russian forces. I think it's sad that people don't show the same concern for the lives of Palestinian children. Or, for that matter, children suffering and dying in other terrible circumstances around the world. Why are human empathy and compassion not for all? It's right to feel and express sympathy for the innocent lives lost and changed forever by Russian violence in Ukraine. It's a shame that some of the voices expressing this have been unable or unwilling to express similar depth of concern and compassion when similarly awful things have happened to a different population.

Dulra · 09/07/2024 20:23

wtfissummer · 09/07/2024 19:42

So let me get this straight

Sir Keir Starmer denounces the Russian attacks on Ukrainians.

He should have added a ps and listed all the other killings he denounces. Just to satisfy the frothers because for forbid he should not mention Gaza in a tweet about Ukraine.

By all means "hold him to account" (if you're British) but FFS let the grief over Ukrainians murders be expressed without the whataboutism

Every western nation condemned the bombing of the children's Hospital it is was horrific. I work with many Ukrainian refugees and they are devastated I have been able to offer my condolences to them in person. Something I have not been able to do with Palestinians.
Every western nation also immediately called the bombing out as a war crime. I cannot stand hypocrisy so I do think it should be called out when it happens. Why are some children's lives worth more than others. If you think that's eugh so be it