Uk politicians position about the war

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I’ve read that in the last few days Starmer is concerned about the Muslim people not voting labour cuz of his position

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/30/labour-acts-on-fears-muslims-will-not-vote-for-party-over-gaza-stance

do you think this will have an impact on this years general elections ? I guess whatever they do they’ll lose votes

So the right thing to do would have been to start separate Twitter threads.

Piling onto a tweet about Ukraine and making it about gaza is out of order

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/17/keir-starmer-suspend-arms-sales-israel-kings-speech-amendment

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/06/uk-arms-export-licence-applications-israel-review

Statement from the uk with a few other countries

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1822895754140078268

shame they’ve missed the condemning of what is going on in Palestine in their statement

Says literally nothing of any substance. What was the point

A threat to Iran not to reiterate which Iran will of course ignore. Same thing Israel has been doing for nearly the last year (&beyond)

This.

If you posted anything about any other conflict on the millions of Gaza threads you get jumped on. Posters wont allow it. Yet post on Ukraine what about Gaza appears to be OK to some.

That letter seems to bring up an image of all those signatories who are voicing concern keeping the matter just out of reach so no one of them needs to actually touch it, and so that it is more difficult to blame any one country within the collective for effectively ignoring the way Israel is behaving so disproportionately in their war against Gaza.

In my opinion, the U.K. would never go against America no matter what the U.K. government or its people think. So anything Kier Starmer says is likely to be for form’s sake, but he would not amstop arming Israel.

The same would go for the U.K. stopping arms to Saudi Arabia because of the harm they are doing to Yemenis. Not stopping arms to SA that are being used against Yemenis also helps Israel/USA.

The constant threat from Iran ( and the terrorist groups it funds ) is the reason why the west supply weapons to Israel. Without the support of the west Israel would be destroyed as it is surrounded by hostile forces . Israel is faced by existential threat and yet they face far more criticism than the instigator of all this horror.

I have been in central London and seen a small group of exiled Iranians protesting in Trafalgar Square about the Iranian government ( oppression of women, LGBT etc, brutal torture and rape in prisons, forced confessions, executions ). Sadly they were either ignored or abused by the pro Palestinian protesters.

There is a constant focus on Israel whereas Iran’s horrific atrocities and it’s undercover machinations have received little condemnation on here.

I think you are right but also have the impression that Israel is deliberately prodding them and the impression that certain Israeli factions seem to want to fight them.

I think the far right Israeli factions are also an appalling threat for everyone in the region.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24524719.foreign-office-diplomat-quits-israel-arms-sales/

He certainly didn't hold back in his letter. Depressing how his attempts to blow the whistle were ignored at every level.

What would happen to Israel if the west withdrew its support?

Maybe the Israeli government should have considered that question before repeatedly breaking International laws allegedly in self defence.

I sure hope that they are thinking about how long Western support will last when the younger generation who have witnessed live in 4K the atrocities being committed and are mostly alarmed are the politicians in the future. Perhaps if Israel actually wants to survive it will have to learn how to get along with it's neighbours.

A spokesperson for the FCDO said: "This government is committed to upholding international law. We have made clear that we will not export items if they might be used to commit or facilitate a serious violations of international humanitarian law.

"There is an ongoing review process to assess whether Israel is complying with international humanitarian law, which the Foreign Secretary initiated on day one in office.

I am sure it will be going on, and on, and on …..

What will happen to Palestine if west continues supporting Israel and looking to the other side whilst it is committing war crimes and breaking international law ?

Gazan civilians might get a break from being bombed relentlessly.

If total support was withdrawn I imagine Iran would attack along with various terrorist organisations. The man widely believed to have planned Oct 7th is still in chargeof hamas. Without support Israel would gradually be eradicated.

In the short-term, a lack of arms supplies for use in Palestine could be an incentive to commit more fully to a ceasefire and peace process. I think it's important to distinguish between not supporting what's happening in Palestine and not supporting Israel to continue to exist. Saying "you can't use our weapons to kill civilians in Palestine" is very different from "you're on your own, mate".

The man widely believed to have planned Oct 7th is still in chargeof hamas

What is odd is that Netanyahu just carried out a double ‘coup’, presumably intentionally, in getting Sinwar elected as head of Hamas by assassinating the more moderate and more reasonable Haniyeh, on Iranian soil, during the inauguration of Iran’s new leader, and so inflaming Iran further.

Then Netanyahu expects support. He and his trouble makers are responsible for so much that has gone wrong, just as much as Sinwar and Hamas, or even more.

I understand this but I wonder whether Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Islamic Jihad and Iran ( and the many other smaller groups that surround Israel) would feel emboldened by the withdrawal of Western support? And if they did feel emboldened what would be the result?

I think it’s naive to imagine the result would be peace in the region.

This is pretty damning
How can our government turn such a blind eye to Israeli war crimes?

Mr Smith said he had previously worked in Middle East arms export licensing assessment for the government and “each day” colleagues were witnessing “clear and unquestionable examples” of war crimes and breaches of international humanitarian law by Israel in Gaza.
“Senior members of the Israeli government and military have expressed open genocidal intent, Israeli soldiers take videos deliberately burning, destroying and looting civilian property,” he wrote.
“Whole streets and universities have been demolished, humanitarian aid is being blocked and civilians are regularly left with no safe quarter to flee to. Red Crescent ambulances have been attacked, schools and hospitals are regularly targeted. These are War Crimes.”
He said there was “no justification for the UK's continued arms sales to Israel”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyvpm1049d9o

It is a disgrace, atleast this diplomat had the good grace to speak out and take a stance against the open war crimes and brutality that the Palestinians are being subjected to by the Israeli government, which is being supported by our government.