Israel ‘hit squad’ kill 3 Palestinians in West Bank Hospital

[Desertrose2023]

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/1/30/israel-troops-kill-three-palestinians-in-west-bank-hospital-ministry

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

She should not be on air at all.... I was absolutely disgusted by her behaviour towards a Palestinian guest several weeks ago.

I know that quite a lot of people have complained about her behaviour. The more the better, I would say.

Thanks 👍
@SomeCatFromJapan @Desertrose2023

Thank you, appreciated 👍

This is a different incident, isn't it, to the one this thread is about?

It really doesn't help discussion/debate to mix the two very different scenarios up. 🤷‍♂️

@DownNative

• This is a different incident, isn't it, to the one this thread is about?

It really doesn't help discussion/debate to mix the two very different scenarios up.*

Maybe so but your post shows no empathy or compassion at all. Nor does it show that you condemn such a crime.

It's either a different incident or It's not.

Different = off topic and out of scope of the thread itself. So, I'm sure there's a thread for it that's suitable.

Mixing different incidents up implying they're the same could be considered as poisoning the well and confirmation bias in relation to the very topic itself. 🧐

@DownNative You've clearly missed the point of my previous post. Probably because Palestinian lives do not matter as much.

Essentially this thread, if one reads between the lines and not so literally, is one about unlawful killing / assassination
The man with the white flag
The three men in the hospital

All unlawful killings of people who were not an immediate threat to their perpetrators
So both issues very relevant

No, your previous post is irrelevant to the actual topic of THIS thread. I suggest you look at the top....🧐

I repeat, mixing different incidents up deliberately doesn't help discussion/debate over the actual topic at hand.

Moving on....

It's not axiomatic that the two separate incidents are or can be considered to be the same.

It's not even axiomatic that the Israel Defense Force Special Forces unit committed an act of perfidy under IHL.

There's not enough information to make that determination. This is especially why it's not remotely helpful to try filling in the gaps with speculation and an unrelated incident.

And, yes, I've read various posts in this thread since yesterday so I'm familiar with what several posters believe.

I would add that perception is not necessarily reality.

Forgot to attach.

Undercover operations are not explicitly prohibited either. This conflict is also better described as a non-international armed conflict (NIAC).

It's clear from the first post that it's a separate incident
The second post not so much although not intentional to confuse
Will ask mumsnet to remove

I have no issue with this to be honest.

Those are not civilians, they are 3 terrorists...

Do you think these 3 men cared about the law or who they have killed or who they were planning to kill? They didn't.

Bin Laden was executed too by a hit squad. No need to go through a lengthy trial. This is what terrorists who have taken the lives of civilians deserve.

I am not Jewish by the way I simply have no sympathy or mercy left for anyone engaged in terrorist activities.

Well isn't there talk of the UK going to war, let's hope everyone is as OK with it when Russian hit squads dressed as medics are in your hospitals executing people without trial. I'm sure people would be rushing to mumsnet to talk about how it's totally fine.

@Startingagainandagain @MercanDede posted explanation of Bin Laden's killing. He was in his compound and given the chance to surrender. The SEALs were going for arrest, but he ordered his guards to shoot. If you scroll back you'll see it was carefully evaluated decision, and a different situation altogether.

Going into NHS hospital is worrying enough at the moment, without worrying you might get shot in the head by accident1

We have all the relevant information on the US Navy SEAL operation against Osama Bin Laden under Obama's Presidency.

But we do NOT possess all the facts regarding the Israeli Special Forces operation against two PIJ and one Hamas targets in this hospital.

Therefore, it's not possible to compare it with other incidents from the world of Special Forces where information is widely available and established, be it US Navy SEALs or UK SAS operations.

Reports suggest a pistol was recovered. Under what circumstances, we don't currently know. If one of the targets was reaching under a pillow or a bedside cabinet for something, a soldier can shoot in the honest belief the individual has a weapon there. Especially if prior intelligence suggested targets may be armed.

Even if no weapon was found afterwards, the honest belief still stands. It would be legal action from the soldiers themselves - not premeditated murder.

However, questions can and, I'm sure, will be asked of the planning of this specific Israel Special Forces operation. That's a different consider and issue to the actions of the soldiers themselves.

But as I said, we don't have enough information so I'm not going to compare it with a few cases involving Special Forces I'm aware of.

@DownNative I agree we don't know enough yet. I must say the reporting so far suggests the aim of mission was execution though, as opposed to the SEAL's aim of capture or arrest. I'm sure you are right that it's too soon to be making comparisons, however, and was simply responding to someone who suggested one might be drawn.

The difference between NHS hospitals and OPT hospitals is that to the best of my knowledge NHS hospitals aren't used as arms dumps or hiding places for hostages. They are also not overtly political places. When Hamas took over Gaza they sacked all hospital staff connected to Fatah. This would be a very strange move for an organization that was actually trying to look after people rather than get involved in the armed struggle.

I don't think that there is any suggestion that the execution of these men had anything to do with 'arms dumps' or that there is any suggestion that the hostages are in a hospital in the West Bank unless you know differently? It feels like making excuses as to why its OK to execute people in one hospital far away from you but it definitely wouldn't be OK for it to happen in a hospital down the road from you where you might actually be impacted.

News reporting and a particular slant they go with can turn out to be wrong, inaccurate and/or incorrect.

In some cases, the news slant is still perpetuated years down the line despite the facts eventually having established those media reports to have been misleading and so on. Especially when highly flawed documentaries were made too. In at least one case I'm familiar with, there was very deliberate misleading reports made on the circumstances where they characterised the operation as "shoot to kill"/assassination when it actually wasn't.

I wouldn't necessarily hang anything on media reports either.

But if we took that attitude then anyone considered a terrorist could be shot without trial.! Even if unarmed, holding your hands up or lying in a sick bed in a hospital
Mm 🫤wonder why Thatcher even bothered to put all those non convicted no trial Irish men in the Hblocks when she could have just shot them all at dawn.

@stormy4319trevor by the way, the SEALs had full authority to kill Bin Laden. It was not a capture or arrest mission.

They fully planned to kill since nobody believed Bin Laden would surrender. The faint possibility of arrest existed, sure, but highly unlikely ahead of the mission Operation Neptune Spear.

CIA Director Leon Panetta said on PBS NewsHour: "The authority here was to kill bin Laden. ... Obviously under the rules of engagement, if he in fact had thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But, they had full authority to kill him."