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stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 13:09

Thanks @MercanDede I wondered if occupying armies have different laws to follow than they do in their own country.

Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 13:09

And nobody has a second thought for all the other patients in the hospital?
It's absolute madness, I couldn't believe what I was watching.

MercanDede · 30/01/2024 13:09

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/01/2024 13:00

I do feel Israel is going to be damned whateve they do. This was a precision hit based on intel and will potentially have minimised risk to civilians, surely that preferable to an air strike?

Israel aren't denying it btw @MercanDede

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1752298768051863762

Israel isn’t denying it yet. There has been form for quick boasts followed by retractions and distractions.

CormorantStrikesBack · 30/01/2024 13:12

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 12:51

The hit squad took out 3 known terrorists

Why do you have an issue with that. Do you think they shouldn't have?

What happened to arresting people and having a trial?

Efacsen · 30/01/2024 13:14

Having a shrapnel injury to your spine is now called 'hiding in a hospital' - used to be called 'being a patient'

The most moral army indeed

Quietplaces · 30/01/2024 13:15

I don't think it's even about the deaths of the terrorists, it's not a case of MN'ers 'boohoo-ing' that terrorists are dead, it's the issue of how it happened. The entire Israel v Palestine conflict can be boiled down to essentially "are disputes (such as land occupation!) to be decided by official legal/moral entitlement or who can physically hold their own" and Israel have always wanted it to be the first option, that if you have an official agreement then you honour that. Suddenly, just because it now suits them, they're playing by "whoever can physically do what they want gets away with it" and that's hypocritical, against international law and makes them as bad as the terrorists they're fighting.

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:15

This place is crazy

Won't people think of the poor terrorists

Unbelievable. Disgusting

Efacsen · 30/01/2024 13:16

Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 13:09

And nobody has a second thought for all the other patients in the hospital?
It's absolute madness, I couldn't believe what I was watching.

Me neither

When I saw the headlines this morning thought I wasn't properly awake

MercanDede · 30/01/2024 13:23

On a side note, as these armed war criminals stalked the hospital corridors deciding who to kill, they did not encounter a single armed terrorist, or discover any terrorist command and control centre. It was just a hospital doing hospital stuff, full of terrified staff and patients.

Branleuse · 30/01/2024 13:27

apparently being against human beings being massacred in their hospital beds is anti-semetic now.

inkworks273 · 30/01/2024 13:27

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:15

This place is crazy

Won't people think of the poor terrorists

Unbelievable. Disgusting

And what did these terrorists do exactly that warrants them being murdered in cold blood without even a trial?

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 13:28

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so your definition of antisemitism is objecting to war crimes and breaches of international law. Good to know 👍

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EasterIssland · 30/01/2024 13:28

Thanks op. I put a similar link in another thread about this.

those supporting this I guess they don’t care about law. They just want people dies. My thing is that idf has done many mistakes so they might killed innocent lives and then apologies for their acts. We shouldn’t normalise the killing of anyone. Follow the lawful rules.

btw as we can see that whenever they want they can target kill, I hope the number of civilian deaths is reduced to 0

AliceA2021 · 30/01/2024 13:30

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:15

This place is crazy

Won't people think of the poor terrorists

Unbelievable. Disgusting

It is 'interesting ' that many denied what occurred on 7th Oct, minimised rapes, torture and brutal killings. Some deny parts of it.

Some believe anything that tic toc shows from Gaza, others demand evidence if something is claimed by 1 side, Israel. There are many, many wrongs.

It's awful the amount of innocent children that have died in bombing and it was suggested by some that targeted hits take place, to minimise this. It appears that a targeted hit took place with no other casualties and people not happy. There are rules of engagement and rules which armies must abide by (although terrorists don't of course). Different sides are held to different standards of course.

Still innocent children die and hostages are still held and no ceasefire. Overriding sadness and can see no way ahead since hames will not surrender.

So much polarisation. Very little negotiation.

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 13:36

the lengths and mental gymnastics that some posters go to in order to justify and excuse literal war crimes really beggars belief.

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AliceA2021 · 30/01/2024 13:38

EasterIssland · 30/01/2024 13:28

Thanks op. I put a similar link in another thread about this.

those supporting this I guess they don’t care about law. They just want people dies. My thing is that idf has done many mistakes so they might killed innocent lives and then apologies for their acts. We shouldn’t normalise the killing of anyone. Follow the lawful rules.

btw as we can see that whenever they want they can target kill, I hope the number of civilian deaths is reduced to 0

Yes armies are expected to follow rules.

Terrorists don't.

Wars have rules which armies have to abide by even when terrorists don't.

It makes fighting terrorist organisations who hide in civilian areas very difficult. Probably impossible.

One 'side' should and must follow rules, they will be found accountable. The other side won't and garners much sympathy.

How to end this war? Negotiations are ongoing. For the sake of all innocents they progress well.

AliceA2021 · 30/01/2024 13:39

An international peace keeping presence might help, but would it be possible

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 13:44

AliceA2021 · 30/01/2024 13:38

Yes armies are expected to follow rules.

Terrorists don't.

Wars have rules which armies have to abide by even when terrorists don't.

It makes fighting terrorist organisations who hide in civilian areas very difficult. Probably impossible.

One 'side' should and must follow rules, they will be found accountable. The other side won't and garners much sympathy.

How to end this war? Negotiations are ongoing. For the sake of all innocents they progress well.

As far as I can tell the Israeli army isn’t following any rules. This incident a classic example.

so by your logic the Israeli army is acting no better than terrorists.

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hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:44

EasterIssland · 30/01/2024 13:28

Thanks op. I put a similar link in another thread about this.

those supporting this I guess they don’t care about law. They just want people dies. My thing is that idf has done many mistakes so they might killed innocent lives and then apologies for their acts. We shouldn’t normalise the killing of anyone. Follow the lawful rules.

btw as we can see that whenever they want they can target kill, I hope the number of civilian deaths is reduced to 0

It's not that I don't care about law, it's just that I don't care about how and where terrorists are eliminated

I really can't find it in my heart of GAF

I would imagine had I lost family on 7th October, then I'd be celebrating too

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 13:46

@AliceA2021 Ironically, if Palestine was a recognised state with an army, they would have to abide by the rules too. But the West Bank is occupied, and occupiers have obligations. It's even more complicated that the occupation is internationally deemed illegal.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 30/01/2024 13:49

As a matter of fact, the rules of war do apply to non-state combattants. If they did not, you would not be able to, say, prosecute them in the ICC or similar.

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 13:49

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:44

It's not that I don't care about law, it's just that I don't care about how and where terrorists are eliminated

I really can't find it in my heart of GAF

I would imagine had I lost family on 7th October, then I'd be celebrating too

I do understand your view. But I think it's dangerous to do away with the processes of law and justice. Maybe we will hear more about this story soon, and it will become clearer.

Parkingt111 · 30/01/2024 13:52

stormy4319trevor · 30/01/2024 13:46

@AliceA2021 Ironically, if Palestine was a recognised state with an army, they would have to abide by the rules too. But the West Bank is occupied, and occupiers have obligations. It's even more complicated that the occupation is internationally deemed illegal.

Gallant has just said today that the plan is for Israel to occupy Gaza militarily after the war, the same way as they do In the occupied territories.

Desertrose2023 · 30/01/2024 13:54

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 13:44

It's not that I don't care about law, it's just that I don't care about how and where terrorists are eliminated

I really can't find it in my heart of GAF

I would imagine had I lost family on 7th October, then I'd be celebrating too

What were these men’s crimes? What acts have they been accused of committing? None of that has been shared. No transparency or disclosure or accountability. I wish I could get so comfortable with the cold blooded assassination of people in their beds whilst in a hospital.

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