Israel ‘hit squad’ kill 3 Palestinians in West Bank Hospital

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https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/1/30/israel-troops-kill-three-palestinians-in-west-bank-hospital-ministry

Where was that reported, please?

The bit with the pistol seems to come from pro-Israel twitter (with at least one account on pro-Palestine Twitter accusing Israel of planting it).

The bit about "being there for planning, because nobody would otherwise ..." I think is pure conjecture, I suppose.

Also pure nonesense: two of the dead were brothers. Contrary to popular belief, Palestinians - yes, even militants! - do, in fact, have friends and family that they love and would go see in hospital without any nefarious reasons.

Thanks @HeidiInTheBigCity Was puzzled I'd not seen these details in the news.

Also pure nonesense: two of the dead were brothers. Contrary to popular belief, Palestinians - yes, even militants! - do, in fact, have friends and family that they love and would go see in hospital without any nefarious reasons.

How does being brothers mean it was "nonesense" for them to be terrorists?

She didn't say it was nonsense for them to be terrorists. She said it was nonsense that the only reason a man would go to hospital to visit his recently paralysed brother was to plot a terrorist attack.

Yes, the post says it was less likely for them to be terrorists. Are there no brothers in terrorists organisations?

I think you should read her post again. It really doesn't say what you think it does. It didn't say they were less likely to be terrorists at all.

The post says that a brother visiting a brother in hospital is something perfectly normal, and a perfectly reasonable grounds for visiting, which it is.

But that doesn't mean that the brothers cannot be terrorists, as well as brothers.

She never said they can't be terrorists. She said that even if they are terrorists the idea that they went to the hospital to plan an attack with a recently paralysed person isn't very likely. It's more likely they went to visit like you would do if your brother was recently paralysed. She never denied that they were terrorists or that brothers can't be terrorists. She was simply talking about the reason for the visit.

Technically, not even that. The question was "what is the source for this information?" and what I said was "conjecture on the part of the poster - plenty of reason why the relationship between those killed would have warranted a visit for reasons other than a planning meeting; they were literal family".

But, no, I did not say they were not terrorists. They were members of Hamas and PIJ, FWIW. Source: Hamas and PIJ. What their roles were, whether they were combattants, etc.: no bloody idea! And it also does not matter!

But even if: hors de combat is a thing. In other words: even in war, you cannot simply walk into an enemy field hospital and massacre all the patients. That is still a war crime. And for good reason! These rules were established in the aftermath of the horrors of two world wars. Clearly, we are not doing very well at remembering how we once came to the conclusion that even war needed rules!

Edit to add: Israel, of all countries, ought to be bloody happy about the Geneva Conventions, Paris Accords, and similar components of so-called ius in bello [law at war]: with (near) universal conscription, any failure to distinguish between "actively engaged in combat" vs. "currently unarmed" vs. "injured" vs. [you name it], basically any Israeli within a certain age bracket could be reasonably assumed to be a combattant and, therefore, a legitimate target. As someone who has met plenty of Israelis in my life and has been friends with some: I do not want that for them! (Not even for that horrible former boss of mine, who was an active IDF reservist! I might have wanted to strangle him multiple times a day for work-related reasons - but: no, you do not get to assassinate him sitting at his desk in the office ... much as I would - again, for work reasons - have found it hard to be particularly sad for him on a personal level.) That is just, literally, not how "the rules" work. And we should all be glad! A world in which "might is right" (which we de facto have - but at least we pretend) is a dark and scary place for literally every single human on the planet. Any single one of us might come across "the guy whose gun was bigger than my own" on any given day!

From the Guardian

Israel said the dead men were

Mohammad Jalamana, a spokesperson for Hamas’s military wing,

Basel Ghazawi, of Islamic Jihad,

and his brother Mohammed.

All three were allegedly active in the umbrella force known as the Jenin Battalion.

Sorry about the random bolding

While I have no idea about the "spokesperson" role: the rest essentially is in synch with what Hamas/PIJ themselves have stated.

It's double standards at work yet again. Some posts have been deleted yet others have remained which falls into the category of material which should not be allowed (on other threads) It is quite telling

That is clearly an allegation made in an attempt to try to justify executing these men in a hospital, of all places. Your post is not okay at all. Alleging that he had "a pistol" is an attempt to try to okay his execution. They went in there with one reason and one reason only and that was to murder these individuals. Hospitals are meant to be off-limits. I can guarantee that if this happened elsewhere there would be an enormous outrage immediately but no, as it happened here people attempt to justify this horrendous war crime.

@BackandForthRoundandRound How would you have preferred this to happen? We’re talking about know terrorists here! Should Israel have given them more opportunities to hide so that civilians could have died in the operation too? Then you would (understandably) be angry about the loss of innocent lives. Or should they be left to get on with planning their next move and accept that they’re going to kill more innocent Israelis?

If they are terrorists the correct procedure is to detain not kill.
The Israelis were not faced with people guns aloft about to shoot. They were faced with 3 patients in hospital.
It is a war crime

Agree, and we ve seen these lies to justify war crimes by Israel irrefutably proved independently by many organisations time and time again.
Why anyone believes them without evidence is beyond me

The BBC used the term "assassinated" to report what took place. This is very revealing and I am glad they have used it. instead of "killed".

I believe that one of the males murdered happened to have been in hospital for treatment. From what I've heard, he wasn't exactly going to be jumping out of bed and going anywhere.

He was assassinated. No ifs or buts. No excuse for what happened. Blatant disregard for it being in a hospital but then again, after what they have done to innocent civilians camped outside hospitals, I shouldn't be surprised.

I think it says a lot for their mindset.

It is against international law to target combatants who are not actively fighting, injured and seeking medical aid

And here's a IDF commander admitting they may have made a 'mistake' when murdering the Palestinian man who was walking with a white flag. The whole thing was recorded and initially was accused of being doctored footage.
After coming under heavy criticism of committing a televised war crime the IDF have now conceded to look into it. As the reporter rightfully says that even if proven true, there is unlikely to be any repercussions for the soldiers who committed the war crime

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-30/senior-israeli-commander-indicates-idf-were-behind-gaza-white-flag-shooting

Anyone know how best to register a complaint against Talk TV and specifically Julia Brewer what’s her face for perpetuating Israeli government lies and propaganda?

The bit with the pistol was reported by Reuters, for example.